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Steven_vuyk
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hi buellers.
Just joined the forum and I must say, it's way better than the xv1000 forum...

I bought my S1 lightning about a month ago. It first was hard to shift gears up from 2nd to 3rd and down. Now last weekend it started to whine and grind when I shift to second. Also feels like it skips teeth from the primary chain.

So I then read a couple of threads and checked the tension and condition of the chain. Also changed the oil.
The oil that came out was thin and black and had some metal filings. But still the sound is there.
Any ideas what I can do or do I start looking for a gear replacement?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you are going to have to get into the primary to diagnose much.

Could be worn gears, Could be the detent plate or shifter drum.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does it just hop a tooth once per shift? Or more than once?

If just once, it is probably worn mating dogs on the second gear pair. Not a trivial job, but since you have a tuber, you don't have to split the cases.

(Message edited by reepicheep on February 16, 2015)
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Getting at the transmission is much easier than you would think.
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Steven_vuyk
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(Does it just hop a tooth once per shift? Or more than once?)
No it whines and if I give throttle it jumps. Either it jumps teeth or it could be the gears not meshing
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Steven_vuyk
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think I'll try get a manual and open her up and really see what's cooking.
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S1owner
Posted on Monday, February 16, 2015 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Look in the knowledge vault download the S1 manual there
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 07:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Whining sounds like a loose primary chain. One hop would be worn gear dogs. Multiple hops could be *really* worn gear dogs, a belt missing teeth, or I suppose a REALLY REALLY loose primary chain, but I'm not sure the primary chain can ever actually get that loose.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A tight primary chain will also make a weird noise. If it's adjusted wrong too much, it will alter the shifting of the tranny.
Opening that little inspection window should be the first step.
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Steven_vuyk
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 - 01:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

{tight primary chain will also make a weird noise.}

Would that be the case if it only happens in second gear? All other gears are fine.
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Steven_vuyk
Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To give an idea of the whining... its kinda like the sound a car makes when you reverse
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Steven_vuyk
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

THANKS FOR THE MANUAL!!! JUST SEE HOW THAT HELPED!!!
Ive opened her up and found the detent arm has been snapped off and re-engineered...
Then noticed the main shaft has snapped off clean as well...
im trying to post the pics.

So my question to you gents is: what is the cheapest and best way to solve my problem?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Posting photos here is different from most forums. Directions here:

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/disc us.cgi?pg=formatting#images
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Steven_vuyk
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got it the right way to upload but takes forever to post that I eventually cancel
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you resized the images to 800x600 pixels or so, they should upload quickly.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I post them to Facebook and then use imagelink to post the photo using the Facebook image url.

Automatically resizes.
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S1owner
Posted on Monday, March 02, 2015 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I use photbucket
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