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Jdodd
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

and I get a transmission error saying I have the wrong ecm type: BUEKA.

ecmspy connects ok to the ecm, and says connected in the status box. I can pull the eeprom, and log data when the bike is connected. I did a TPS reset, and that finished and worked fine.

When I determined which ecm I had, I used their method using ecmdemo and it returned BUEKA.

Now, when I try to write the map to the eeprom, it's telling me I have BUEJA.

Scratching my head here. I bought the BUEKA download based on what they told me, there isn't even a BUEJA download to purchase on the site.

What am I missing?

(Message edited by jdodd on July 24, 2011)
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Jdodd
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

is it as simple as finding a race map that has BUEJA on it instead of BUEKA?
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Jdodd
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think I may have a solution, please tell me if my thinking is flawed here.

I took an x1 race map's .txt file, copy and paste the raw data out of that into the original map's .txt file.

if I take that now edited .txt file and replace the now backed up original .txt file and load that, it should read that properly since I haven't touched the file name or the ecm "header".

am I on the right track here?
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Nallac
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you're not trying to burn the eeprom are you?.
If so not the thing to do.

Load the race eeprom,select fetch maps(race),
then burn maps not the eeprom.
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Snowbees
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

race maps are not eeprom specific, they will work in both eeproms.

As Nallac sais,Load race maps you have saved (in kennfeld folder)}, then burn to eeprom.
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok maybe I'm not asking good questions here : )

I am not trying to write the incorrect eeprom back to the ecm, am trying to write the race MAP back to the ecm.

hope that clears up what I'm trying to do.

I'm running into this problem:

I have the race maps and the race eeprom. The maps have the .txt extension and the eeprom has the .epr extension.

I moved the map.txt into the maps folder in ecmspy. Open ecmspy and attempt to load maps. There's nothing to load. I know the maps should have a .msq extension. But I read here and elsewhere that people are using the .txt extension.

What am I missing again? should I rename the mapfile to map.msq?

help is much appreciated

james
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i use .txt to load my maps then burn maps to ecm and then save eeprom. it works very easily i hacve had no problem doing it this way/
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hmm, do me a favor and call me?

315.690.6600

have some more questions that I think would be better served in real time

james
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I only use the files with the .msq extension when editing/loading/burning the maps.
I am curious though as what did you buy from those guys - the ECMspy program or just the maps/EEPROM files? Either way, if they charged you for this, then they should help you get it to work. In the meantime, try loading the Race .msq files and see how it goes.
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

kalali,

ecmspy program and access to some database.

I'd love to get some help from them, and mike from opti is doing what he can, but ecmspy themselves don't seem to have ANY contact info. Which is aggravating as hell to me. I agree, part of the price of having to pay for your product or software means you're there when guys like me that paid the price of admission needs help.

thank god for badweb guys, this would be beyond frustrating

james
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Generally there is very little reason for burning the entire EEPROM file onto an existing ECM, either Race or Stock. And as others have said, the fuel/timing maps are agnostic to the EEPROM version. That's why most folks just burn the Race maps and then tweak them, if necessary, to match their exhaust/intake configuration and set up.
Hang in there. We'll eventually get is all sorted out...
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Dynosaur
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Jdodd, lets get you sorted out. Firstly, are you using this version of ECMSpy?


ecmspymono
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yes he is i justed talked to him.. i can not help due to i have the other version..
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

btw which program is better/easier.
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Dynosaur
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are different but do the same thing, the one above will do all ECMs, including 1125s...

The one above is much more powerful for tuning, you can log dual wideband lambdas, which is a godsend...
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hey tim i was just talking to jdodd(james and told him to talk to yuo about this cause i have no idea what to do with the new version of ecmspy i hope you can help him.
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yep that's the version I'm running.
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Think I may have a working solution here tell me if I'm off base:

Open ecmspy
load the race eeprom
save the fuel/timing maps out of it
connect to the bike
fetch bike eeprom
load race maps saved earlier
burn eeprom

that makes sense to me so far, anyone else?
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Dynosaur
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, that is what I would try...
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok if that fits, then here's my next question

do I need to save out front fuel, rear fuel, front timing and rear timing separately?

if so, do I need to load each map individually and burn the eeprom each time?
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

on my version i just loaded the maps then saved maps and everything saved all in one.
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

alrighty, off to give that method a try.

tps reset after loading or before?
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

after loading. bike must be at full op temp thoiugh 100% colod start temp
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Dynosaur
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No need to TPS reset if just changing the maps. The TPS reset is there to "zero" the TPS sensor for a fully closed throttle butterfly. Changing the maps does not affect this...
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Dynosaur
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"on my version i just loaded the maps then saved maps and everything saved all in one."

As I understand from this thread, and it is not too easy to follow if just stepping in, Jdodd doesn't have maps per se, but has an EEPROM image of a race ECM. He is going to extract the maps then load them in over the image he has from his own ECM...
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01x1buell
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah i know nothing about that or how to do that.
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Success!

Extracted race maps, fetched eeprom off bike ecm, loaded race maps and successfully burned them to the ecm.

Many thanks to the guys here for lending a hand and getting this figured out!

James
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Jdodd
Posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

kind of a roundabout way of getting it done though day-amn.
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Dynosaur
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stops you from ramming something into your ECM that shouldn't be going in... It was not so long ago, I remember reading on the XB board, that people were loading EEPROM images of dubious quality into ECMs and goofing the ECM beyond the point of no return...

If that happened to you, who would you be blaming?

The maps are something tangible which you can view before burning, if you were to burn a full EEPROM image, would you be sure EA at 05DD was correct?
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Kalali
Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great to hear. I also use the "original" version but I might try the new version just to see if it provides more features.
Hopefully you won't need to play around too much with the program once you get the maps dialed in for your bike.
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