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Daddyhog
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not only will it not start. It won’t turn over. Started to go for a ride and had the bike idling while putting my helmet and gloves on. The bike died and steadfastly refuses to even turn over. The lights and horn work. Both battery cables are tight on both ends. Where do I look next? Bike is a ’02 Buell S3T, a fuel injected bike.
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Bluesboy
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My guess would be a bad kick stand sensor.
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Kalali
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you try starting with the clutch lever pulled in?
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Daddyhog
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, pulling the clutch lever does not change anything. Can the side stand sensor be bypassed? How do I do it?
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Dfbutler
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check the neutral circuit too. Do you have a neutral light? Kill switch?
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Daddyhog
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The neutral light is bright green. I don't know about the kill switch, on or off makes no difference.
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Orman1649
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have had some similar issues with my S1W. I spent days tearing things apart, checking wiring and such...turned out to be a bad battery.
I was cruising along and all of a sudden the bike just died. Once I got it home I checked the battery and cables/wiring. It was all good. Put in a spare battery I had laying around and it fired right up...One of the plates was shorted I guess...12V putting a meter on it but as soon as I put a load on, it would just die.

Another time I was going home from work, walked outside and it wouldn't fire up. This time it was the wire going to the starter from the starter relay.
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Daddyhog
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a spare motorcycle battery I will swap them out and see if changes anything. What confuses me is that the lights, horn, turn signals all work and the bike was running when it died. And it died just like someone turned off the key or hit the kill switch.
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Gowindward
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe this will help. It's out of the service manual.


Side stand switch can be bypassed by jumpering the wires together. It's simply a switch closing or opening to ground.





(Message edited by gowindward on February 02, 2009)
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Sleez
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

monitor the battery voltage while hitting the start button, if the voltage drops significantly, then it may be that the battery doesn't have enough juice to even engage the starter. could be battery, shorted starter, relay...


if the voltage doesn't change, stays around 12v, then you either have an open circuit, or a bypass is broken (clutch sw/kickstand sw)

hope that helps
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Orman1649
Posted on Monday, February 02, 2009 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's what mine did. I was just cruising along and all of a sudden, instantly dead. My lights and everything would turn on till I hit the start button then nothing would work. I could turn the key off and wait a min then the lights and such would work again but if I tried starting...same deal. I was pulling my hair out checking relays and at one time thought I might even have a shorted wire in the starter coil but...it was just the battery.

A battery can show 12 volts with no load... even if it is bad.
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Tim
Posted on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just wanted to add my $.02. All those safety switches go to relays. I have had one go bad. It began with starting problems and progressed to cutting out while running down the road.
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Daddyhog
Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Problem solved and bike is back on the road. Last week the dealer picked the bike up and replaced the rear tire. When they put it on the trailer they used soft tie downs which they forgot to remove until after they changed the tire and took it for a test ride. Riding the bike with the soft tie downs holding the wiring tight stressed the wiring and caused a wire to break. At least that’s the dealer’s story. The dealer claims to have spent 5 hours locating and repairing the broken wire. Good news is that the bike is repaired and it didn’t cost me anything. I plan to take them two dozen tamales tomorrow to show appreciation.
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Sleez
Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

cool.
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Meganlee
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a similar problem on a '98 S3T - was told by dealer that it was the voltage regulator. Replaced that and new battery and no problems so far - knock on wood.
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