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Cwxb12r
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just pulled the trigger on a Drummer and Race ECM for my 07 XB12R. I also have a K&N filter. ECM will be reset too.

Is there anything I should look out for when installing?

Someone hinted that the 07 airbox was open enough as long as I re-route the PCV in-take hoses. Is this true? (anyone have instructions?)

Any other comments or suggestions?
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Nickcaro
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Welcome to the Drummer team.

You can follow the instructions of the Drummer web site. Then look out for the ear to ear grin on your face when you first fire that puppy up.



http://www.kdfab.com/muffler%20removal.htm
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Cwxb12r
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I already have a ear to ear grin every time I go out for a ride. Boy, my face is going to hurt after this.

Thanks for the link to the instructions.
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Slamber777
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We were just discussing this in the thread below. The 07 inner air box cover makes some difference. You'll like how the bike runs.


http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=32777&post=948281#POST948281
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Slamber777
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not sure what they mean by re-routing the PVC lines. l have an 06 Ss and the hoses routed the same on the 07 box. There is some out there who have installed a PVC catch can so the crank case pressure didn't go into the intake. Maybe that's what you heard.

BTW, my wife calls the Drummer sound "Man Music" Very cool!
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Kowpow225
Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

She's got that right! I'd also recommend some high temp silicone where the header meets the muffler collector to make a really good seal there. Some members here get a little decel popping but mostly with the jardine. Great pipe!
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Cwxb12r
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 07:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for the link Slamber777. Good info in that post.
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Edmbueller
Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I get TONS of popping with my Drummer, race ecm, de snorked, swiss cheesed inner airbox.
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Cwxb12r
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Drummer arrived about an hour ago and it is already installed. I was surprised how easy it was to install. (didn't even follow the instructions) Race ECM and K&N filter should be on by tomorrow.

Quick question though. I'm not going to be able to get a TPS reset until late next week...Any dangers running for a week without the TPS reset? Should I run the stock ECM, K&N and Drummer until the day of the TPS reset?

Damn, that Drummer sounds gooood.
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Cwxb12r
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gah, another question...The dealership said I should get my timing check since I'm changing out the ECM and Exhaust along with the TPS.

That would make it $90 instead of $40..

Are they trying to gouge me?
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Ustorque
Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

you will have to wait to change the ecm out in the parking lot of the dealer who will be doing the TPS reset the bike will not run when you swap the ecm until the TPS is reset.
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Al_lighton
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Changing your ECM or exhaust or TPS has no effect whatsoever on your timing. Now, it may be a good thing to know that your timing is spot on, but nothing about the stuff you're doing now mandates that check.

Al
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

According to Danny Bilansky(probably one of the top Buell mechanics there is), the timing *SHOULD* be checked & adjusted when changing ECMs. This is S.O.P. and is what is taught to the Buell mechanics at 'Buell School' in Milwaukee.

Just telling ya what I've been told
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mr Mackay is 100% on. When I bought my bike from the first owner, he gave me the work invoice and receipt of the dealership's work when he swapped ECM's.
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Cwxb12r
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quick question though. I'm not going to be able to get a TPS reset until late next week...Any dangers running for a week without the TPS reset?
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Riclyd
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Drummer gives you a raging bull, its bad ass
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quick question though. I'm not going to be able to get a TPS reset until late next week...Any dangers running for a week without the TPS reset?
don't install the ecm til you get to the dealer for the reset.
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Cwxb12r
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I meant using my stock ECM. Will the stock ECM without a TPS reset cause issues?
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Xbswede
Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Run the stock ECM until you can get the TPS reset with the Race ecm.

I ran mine for 6000 miles before switching to the Race ECM with no issues, including open air box.
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Sort23
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a stock 06 xb12ss and am planning to get an Original Drummer. I also plan to get an 07 inner airbox cover, K&N filter and Race ECM.

Do I need an open airbox kit and catch can setup as well?
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Xbswede
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You only need the open air box kit if you don't use a inner cover at all.

The Catch can is a good idea either way. It keeps the oil form spewing back into your intake and filter. But not necessary if you run the 07 inner cover.
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Hogs
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

XBswede,
Why do you say you don`t need or want a catch can because of the 07 inner cover?
I don`t see that making any difference the 07 inner cover?
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

hogs, read his post again. he said it is a good idea either way, but not need if using an 07 inner cover. it's not need for that because it is a stock set up, and they didn't have catch cans installed from the factory.
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Sort23
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So, the Drummer, Race ECM, K&N filter, 07 inner airbox cover and catch can would be a good setup?
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Xbswede
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sort23, Yes it would be a great setup.

Hogs, I am not sure who's post you read but it wasn't mine
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hogs drops in for a visit from left field from time to time then wanders off again. left field in his case is
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Hogs
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There ya go... Making a mountain out of a mole hill again...

It was stated no need IF you have a 07 inner airbox...Just wanted to know W H Y thats all folks... come again..
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Hogs
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

But not necessary if you run the 07 inner cover.
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Xbswede
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hogs, I stated that the there was no need for the open airbox kit with the inner cover.

Enough poking fun

Back to the question in hand.
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Sort23
Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2007 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for input, I'll be placing an order in the morning.
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Al_lighton
Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

RE: Static timing set with ECM swap

Just because it is SOP to do a timing check with an ECM swap, doesn't mean that there is any scientific reason to do it. If the timing plate hasn't been touched, and the static timing was correct before, nothing about changing the ECM will change the timing.

Think about it: There is a rotating cup with notches in it that rotate by a hall effect sensor and magnet. This creates an analog pulse train that is sensed on an A/D input line into the ECM. There isn't going to be a substantial difference in that A/D from one ECM to another that is going to skew the timing by any appreciable amount, and any that would exist would be orders of magnitude smaller than what you can adjust with that plate. If the timing cup and plate haven't been touched, the pulse relation to the cam/crank angle is not changed, and an ECM change won't cause there to be a different static timing.

So, Danny Bilansky's statement notwithstanding, I'll stick by my original assertion, nothing about those changes mandates a timing check, but it may be a good idea if you don't know for certain that it is correct.

Al
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