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Xbob
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just putting my xb back together, didnt do anything to the motor, just some cosmetic stuff. when i turn the motor over, the started clicks like crazy, but the motor doesnt turn over and it wont start. its been ran 2 or 3 times over the winter, but not for long periods of time. the battery doesnt seem to be weak, but im going to put a charger on it.


any ideas?
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Coturi
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That is the sound of a weak battery for sure. Did the same for me when my voltage regulator and stator went out. You should be just fine after charging it.
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Xbob
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i kinda thought so, but ive not heard the starter clicking so loud before.

thanks.
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Coturi
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It does get your attention for sure.
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Hogs
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yup and make sure them battery cables are tight .. doesn`t take much to be lose and that will give ya the same results...
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Sloppy
Posted on Friday, March 09, 2007 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you don't have a Battery Tender then get one. It will save you money and frustration in the long run. And you can use it for ALL your vehicles, not just your bikes...
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Kootenay
Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

its been ran 2 or 3 times over the winter, but not for long periods of time.

That's your problem, right there. Starting the bike takes a lot of energy out of the battery, and if you don't run it long enough to recharge what was drawn, it just kills the battery.

Intermittent starting during storage doesn't help your bike, and in fact may cause harm. It's not recommended.}
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Ghalsey
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Intermittent starting during storage doesn't help your bike, and in fact may cause harm. It's not recommended.}"

I did not start my bike for the past two months. So yesterday, when I tried to fire it up, after storing the battery inside for the winter, it won't stay running.

For reference its a 2005 xb12s.

So I turn the key, wait for the electronic choke to turn off then press the start button.
It then just turns over and over. Not starting.
So I twist a bit on the throttle and it seems that this is the only way to keep it going; by holding the throttle 1/4 open. However, during this time, clouds of exhaust are spewing out the muffler.
So anyway, it reminds me a bit of when my plugs fouled. But, since when I parked this bike for the winter it was running like a top, what has happened in the interim?

Any help?
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Naustin
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When you put it to bed, did you put Stabil in the gas and run it until the treated fuel reached the injectors?

I had to give mine a little throttle to get it running after storage too. But, after about 20 seconds, it would idle by itself (but a little slow). After about a minute, it was idling normally.
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Silverado140
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't dismiss the idea of a fouled plug. Mine was the exact same way (ran excellent when I put it up for storage).

Went to fire it up this spring and it was only hitting on the front cylinder. Changed the plugs and it is perfect.

Joe
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Xbob
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

changed plugs and fully charged the battery. started right up. ran great.

i did not put stabil in the gas tank, but i did keep in in a heated garage.

thanks.
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Ghalsey
Posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah I definitely have to hold the throttle open for more than 20 seconds.
So it sounds like the plugs. So... why then would the plugs foul if its been sitting for months?
And do you think the warranty I have should cover getting them replaced? I know its a simple fix I just figure if it shouldn't be doing this then Meredith HD/Buell should fix it.
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Xbullet
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 03:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i wouldn't think the warranty covers it. plugs kinda fit in there with tires and batteries. besides, most of the time plugs are fouled because we (the owners/riders) do something stupid. : )

depending on your mileage and mods, it might just be time, too. changing exhaust/ecm flashing/etc. changes the amount/type of carbon buildup. just a thought.
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Ghalsey
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 08:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, no mods to speak of except an Buell airfilter. 2,750 miles too. I'm just bummed that this is the second time since September.
I know plugs go in things... but should they go this often? Especially because when I parked it everything was fine.
Ahh well... if all thats standing between me and a sweet ride are some lousy plugs then so be it.
How hard are they to change on this bike anyway?
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Xbullet
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just remember the wise words of my grandfather....

"if you can get yer finger on it, you can get a wrench on it and turn it."
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Xbob
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

its a pain in the butt changing them. not hard, you just have to take a bunch of stuff off to get to them.
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There was a thread a couple of months ago about how moisture will permeate the metal that these (and nearly all) machines are made of. It is likely that if you had pulled a plug before starting it, it may have had an accumulation of water moisture on it. Just a tiny bit of water on a cold plug will put its fire out.
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Twig
Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2007 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Two weeks ago I pull the 03xb9s out for a ride. Nothing but the machine gun sound. I know the battery is just over two years old, so I replace it. I rode it the previous weekend without trouble, and the weekend before that at least 300 miles. HD shop says the new battery had been on trickle charge , but should be okay. It cranked fine, got the bike inspected and rode around for 30 minutes before the tarheels played. Roll it out today, it cranks, but I think doesn't start like a new battery should. Believe me, I had to make four different stops on my ride today. Each cranckup got worse. On my last stop I prayed...please baby get me outta this side of town. She oblidged, but just barely. The clock also went to 1:00 , not good. Now it's home , but no power to turnover. I did clean up the terminals after the the fact, and they were not good. I'll start looking for the much dreaded likely short tomorrow. My good friend is babysitting the battery tonight. Such is life?
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