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Yohinan
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can anyone tell me what the stock XB12R wheels both front and rear weigh stock? And what is the average weight of say a set of racing wheels both front and rear? I am trying to see roughly the amount of weight savings I am going to get with a set of racing rims. Also can anyone comment on what I am going to pay for a set of lightweight race wheels from a low end to high end ball park figure. Finally if you know what I will pay to have a set of custom race wheels cnc'd that would be great to hear also. Thanks for the help. John
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't think you'll find a way to save any weight on the front (because you'd need to go with dual rotors and calipers), and the rear is very light. The FX bikes use the stock rims...

Maybe going with a CF wheel on the back, but I would keep the front setup just as it is.

You may be able to get shipping weights from the Buell website.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As M1 stated, in the case of the Buell rims, they are within ounces of a set of NON Carbon fibre race rims, however, that weight difference will be negated with the extra rotor, caliper, and mounting hardware VS the single perimeter rotor.
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BadS1
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The FX bikes at least Hals and the Kosco bike of last year used the stock front and a Marchesini rear rim.Hals is still using the same combo.
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Interesting... I could have sworn they had stock rims in the pics I have of them. That certainly makes more sense though... Thanks.
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've looked through all my pics here at work and it seems that the Kosco bike at least ran the stock rim when the pic was taken...

I'll check the Hal's bikes when I get home... If they aren't running a CF rim I don't see why not...
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BadS1
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kosco you are right ran stock rims.Hals runs the Marchesini.Look at Cycle World Magazine's right up or take my word for it.The bike is 20 minutes from my house seen it many many times.
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Marchesini rear saves about two pounds. Costs about $1300. I rather skip a few burgers...
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Daveinm
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree...the best way to save weight is to take it off your body: )

I wonder how much liposuction $1300 would get you: )
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Walt221
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is just my two cents worth, but I run a cast Marchesini rear wheel on my XB race bike. It was originally made for an X1. I made spacers for it to fit. It was worth it to me as I saved six pounds over the stock rear XB wheel. I would imagine that if you went to a forged magnesium wheel, such as Hal's you could save even more. One thing to keep in mind though is that the mag wheels are relatively soft and damage easy.
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Dcmortalcoil
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Six pounds is a lot of weight saving. I've seen some calculations as to what 1 pound of weigh savings on the wheel means when it's accelerating - at another website or maybe here. From what I remember, every once of weight savings at the wheel makes noticeable difference when accelerating at high speeds.
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Kowpow225
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tah Dah!! We're onto the reason the factory was using the stock dunlop 207s. Sure they sacrifice some grip and mileage, but they wanted to lower unsprung weight. Part of the trilogy of tech! Can you tell I've been reading again?
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

there are/were 2 different breeds of 207's. The standard 207 weighs more then the 207's that came stock on the Buells.
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We've been on to that for a while Kowpow : ). It doesn't justify the HORRIBLE handling qualities of the D207 though...
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Kowpow225
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Agreed!

(Message edited by kowpow225 on April 12, 2005)
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Yohinan
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So back to the original question does anyone know the actual stock weight of just the front and rear wheels? No rotors or anything included. I guess when I go to get my tires changed soon I could weigh them but figured there had to be at least someone here that knew what they weighed. I am looking at a pre made (aftermarket) rear wheel for racing and then I have to find someone with a CNC machine that will be able to cut me a custom front wheel. More money to spend. What a fun hobby right!
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Norrisperformance
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Most custom rims start out as forged rim blank.
Then the design you want is cut into the blank.
Anywhere from 3500 to 10,000

Performance rims are sometimes CNC machined out of
billet aluminum. It can take as long as 40 hrs to machine
a wheel from solid block of aluminum just ask Jesse James

If you got the big bucks, I’ll design and CNC machine anything
you want. That’s the kind of stuff I do.

If you can find a company already making what you need
that would be cheapest way.

www.norrisperformance.com
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Buelltroll
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The carbon fiber rims I priced from marchesi were 3600 each.
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BadS1
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The wheels Hals uses are Magnesium.Walt is right.
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Trojan-Horse Products
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 03:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think that the Hal's rear wheel is also 16.5" diameter and not the stock 17". It gives access to a better range of race tyres. The only reason they stuck with the OE front was because there are no aftermarket wheels available to take the ZTL disc.
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BadS1
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Trojan-Horse Products it also raises the question will they be running it this year.Since Buell is not supporting them in any way maybe they will go back to the set up pictured above.Although Buells brakes are very good I've been told they really eat up the rotors under the stress of racing quickly.Thats the setup they ran in the 2003 season and also is the matching front wheel to its rear.
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