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Kaudette
Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 02:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm curious if others out there have had problems disassembling some of the XB parts (subframe, rear swingarm, etc) because I just half stripped one of the 4 bolts on the rear swingarm assembly (right side to take off the belt protectors).

They must have a gorilla doing the assembly(to keep pieces from falling off???). I've never seen such a tight damn bolt! Now comes the fun part of "fixing" it as the bolt hasn't budged a micron....
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Easyflier
Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kaudette,

I hope that you had released the tension on the belt before you started the disassembly. If not that could explain the difficulty in loosening the bolts.
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Opto
Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've found a few fasteners with what seems like heavy duty loctite on them - especially the four screws holding on the front fender, thought I was going to break them getting them out. Found some others similar too, when swapping the muffler.
Loctite can be softened with heat.
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Dynarider
Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Could also be seizing up. When dissimilar metals are bolted together they can cause a reaction which just about physically welds them. Thats why antiseize is supposed to be used. Perhaps those parts of yours were supposed to have some & they simply forgot?
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Opto
Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2004 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dyna,
True about dissimilar metals and antiseize. My bike is an XB12 and Kaudette has a 12 and a 9, I presumed he was talking about his 12.
The front fender screws I had trouble with came out with great force (using 1/4" ratchet driver) with the remains of blue loctite on them, the 2004 Lightning FM does not say to use anything at all on these screws, except a torque value.
These bikes are new, no corrosion to be seen.
BTW Dyna LMFHO thanks to you and Bubba in the Obsolete thread!
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Kaudette
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2004 - 05:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

On the 12.

Yes - rear axle loosened about 5 turns - as I was just trying to get the swingarm brace off this should have been enough.

I guess the problem is metal with aluminium which does not seem to mix well - no loktite on the 3 bolts I managed to get out. We'll see for bolt number 4...
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Fuzz331
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2004 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Felt like I was going to ruin my fovorite ratchet while removing those 4 bolts on my 12! I think a little anti-sieze and good torque vs thread lock.
I removed swingarm from my 12 yesterday and found what I thought to be minimum anti-sieze on the rear axle and swingarm. They show signs of some kind of oxidation where dissimilar metals meet.

I figure I will just add a little extra when I reassemble.

Fuzz



edited by fuzz331 on January 04, 2004
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Easyflier
Posted on Sunday, January 04, 2004 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok, not sure that 5 turns is enough to remove the tension but I'm guessing that you backed it off until you got some visible loosening.

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Opto
Posted on Monday, January 05, 2004 - 02:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"These bikes are new, no corrosion to be seen."

Geez Fuzz, I better change that to "my bike is new, and I haven't seen any corrosion - yet"!

Curious as to why the swingarm brace is being removed on the 12's - belt due already?

Also wondering if it would be better to put some antisieze on the brace bolts now rather than 6 or 12 months down the track.
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Fuzz331
Posted on Monday, January 05, 2004 - 06:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Opto, I like shiny!
I evidently don't like face shield.
(Almost done)

My belt seems to be fine.
Note: The threads both had adequate anti-sieze on them, Just strange seeing the white powdery near the threads.
It would be nice to know what criteria Buell used during assembly for Thread lock vs anti-sieze. There is a lot of carbon to aluminum bolting on the XB.
Fuzz
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Opto
Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2004 - 03:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good to see you looking happy and busy!
Post the pics when finished eh?
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Ltlboybuell
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hiya Fuzz,

What are you using if anything to seal the parts after polishing?

LBB
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Fuzz331
Posted on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ltlboybuell
I am still debating on that. I am thinking about trying a product called zoop seal. It is kinda pricey. Otherwise will have to keep up with it by polishing.
Fuzz
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