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Pushrodpete
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Title pretty much sez it all -

When will the online/print magazines get 1125R's for evaluation? I'd love to see some shoot-outs where a Buell doesn't get the dreaded "great-handling bike BUT..." review.

Will the mags get bikes before the public? I'm dying for more info here....

Nonny? Court?
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yea i would like to see something more than the press releases that are on all the websites. I want to see what they actually have to say after riding it. Not just the info they got from the factory. It wont change my mind or anything I would just like to see what they think of it after riding it.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My sneaking suspicion is that some of them have already ridden it. Generally there is a hush-hush press launch prior to a public unveiling to allow all the media folks to get photos, write stories and be ready to release the info the moment the bike us unveiled.

(remind me to tell you about the time I got assigned to act as a host for the guys from the UK's BIKE magazine . . . wahoooo)

Anyway . . . The 1125R may be an exception as there is still about 60-90 days worth of work from what I gather (it's presumption, I don't know any firm info and will let the Anon's share as appropriate) before the bike is ready to go to production.

Therefore we may see some "initial impressions" but I'm eager to start seeing the tests of the "for sale" product.

By the way . . . if one of the anon's posts this weekend . . . his butt is going to be in a sling. Save him by saving your questions for next Tuesday. He's on SIR (Spousal Imposed Relaxation).

Court
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Trojan
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MCN say they will test it in August, presumably at Laguna? I know that Alan Cathcart will be riding one then.
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cathcart gives very well thought out and well written reviews. I'm looking forward to that.
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The tech review by Cameron will be a treat.

(Message edited by spatten1 on July 14, 2007)
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Diablobrian
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I usually enjoy reading Cathcart's reviews of bikes. His and John Burns' are usually the opinions I trust the most amongst
the American moto-journalists.

I think that being a motojournalist would be a great job, and if I wasn't so intent on becoming an engineer at Buell it would
be near the top of my "Dream Jobs" list. Along with being a curator/mechanic at Barber! Who wouldn't want to take the Britten
out for a couple of laps to stretch it's legs? Or a TZ750, or an RSS1200 or...you name it.
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cameron has already done his tech review:

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=3 &article_id=399
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Naustin
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Quote from above article closing summary....

"I’m really happy for Erik"

Yeah, that about sums it up!
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cameron wrote:

plain-bearing rods are placed side-by-side on the crankpin, automotive fashion.

Now that is interesting. Very HD, I must say. Should retain some lump character with the two cylinders running on the same pin.
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Thespive
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am the tech editor for Four Wheeler, I guess I could go and ask the bike guys at work for ya. : )

Typically when we drive a new vehicle, there is an embargo of a couple months that gives print and web a chance to debut the story at the same time, unless we have an exclusive. For instance, last year I had an exclusive on the 4-door Wrangler Unlimited and flew out to shoot it in at a DCX facility in Detroit, because my story wasn't embargoed, I was able to get it in the issue I was working on. Other times we get to go on development drives with the manuafacturer (sometimes 6+ months before launch) and can talk about it in preproduction/cammo form before other mags even see the production vehicle, or if there is a short lead for the production launch, everyone will be able to talk about it right away. Just depends on how the company has it set up.

--Sean
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Davegess
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

plain-bearing rods are placed side-by-side on the crankpin, automotive fashion.

Now that is interesting. Very HD, I must say. Should retain some lump character with the two cylinders running on the same pin.


I don't think he meant one crankpin like an H-D. Automotive style means to me that the rods are side by side not like H-D which uses a knife and fork arrangement that has one rod running inside the other. I don't think you can run plain bearings on a knife and fork and the roller bearings really limit the speed you can spin the bottom end.

(Message edited by davegess on July 14, 2007)
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M1combat
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most automotive cranks I've seen have two rods/pistons coming off of one crank pin. Looking at the Buell page it seems that the 1125 is like this as well. It's not knife/fork like the HD's but I think it's "automotive fashion".
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Bigblock
Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Exactly, it can still be a common crank journal without having a male/female rod.
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Spatten1
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 08:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Right, but my point is that the two rods are timed on the same pin. .

Other configuarations allow the rods to be timed in a different order to put the firing order in virtually any configuration. If they are on the same crankpin, you only have two choices for firing order.

Also, the pistons rise and fall 72 degrees apart in the crank rotation, rather than spreading it out to get rid of the "lumpiness", or "Harleyness".
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Spatten1
Posted on Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think I got my answer to the above question on another thread.
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