G oog le BadWeB | Login/out | Topics | Search | Custodians | Register | Edit Profile

Buell Forum » General Discussion Board » Archives 1 » Archives '02 July-December » Archive through December 04, 2002 « Previous Next »

Author Message
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Roadrunr
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

X1, You could have went to Texan HD in conroe, they also were in on the "slay the dragon" deal
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Ccryder
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim:
If you look at the latest Cycle World you will see that Terblanche took design ideas from train engines and a prop driven train circa 1930 for the 999's design. Like you said: " these aerodynamic design facts have been known since the 1930's."

It's real hard to change those laws of Physics.

Later
Neil
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Archer
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We had banners up all over he place and we did send in all our entries. We didn't have a demo bike at the time so we weren't able to participate in that part.


Ross
Republic H-D/Buell
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Davegess
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The RW body work to a small degree and the RR to a much greater degree owe a lot to wind tunnel work Harley-Davidson did for a streamliner XR that I believe Cal Rayborn rode to several records.

Look at an XR750 roadracer.

Erik had access to all the data that was generated from those test. Not all of it was used on XR road racer.

To this day very few people really understand WHY the RR is so slippery.

Dave
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Turnagain
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Charlotte,

Glad you tuned in here -- you won't miss events like that again. Being in Buell's backyard, you're privy to a lot of cool happenings (Elves Invasion, etc..). Seems there was a great disparity in dealer participation. Fortunately ours takes a great interest in Buell.
One more shot from that day in April -- before he tells you, it's José.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Featheredfiend
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Harley Davidson streamliner, piloted by Cal Rayborn, was Sportster powered.

Best,
Feathered
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Click on the Image for the story courtesy of Road Racing World

Here is the first paragraph of the story about this bike in the January 2003 issue of Cycle World:


Quote:

We know what you're thinking: If America can put a man on the moon, why can't it build a world-class sportbike? Apologies to the Buell XB9R, we're talking about a motorcycle capable of competing against the Honda RC51s, Ducati 999s and Aprilia RSV Mille Rs of the world. Fischer Motor Company aims to put America on the Sportbike map.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Dave
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"chassis was developed by Gemini Technology Systems of Mukwonago, Wisconsin"

Coincidence?

DAve
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are in the West...DO NOT miss the History Channel's "Boy's Toys" on Motorcycles. Great press for BUELL and The Guggenheim. Both Ultan and Erik do a great job.

And...for the sharp eyes...watch for Aaron's RED 1990 RS-1200.

Court
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court caught that on TV tonight!!!!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

José_Quiñones
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah great show!

The feature on Erik and the XB9R was pretty cool, but the part about the Britten was STUNNING! Also neat stuff about that turbine powered Y2K bike, the Segway and the history of Indian, HD and the Japanese Invasion.

Great "snowed in" TV!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> but the part about the Britten was STUNNING!

I agree.

I hope, as time passes, that more people acquire a sense for the magnitude of what we, as a community, lost with the death of John Britten.

In a world intent on accentuating the highly technical, he and Erik used to laugh together at how they both were taken with keeping their eyes on the SIMPLE things and doing them right and in the right combinations.

Both, in my mind, had a gift in terms of being able to look at a complex collection of pieces and see the solution in it's most functional and sensible form.

Now....go fill your frame with fuel and stay warm. It's going to bother me all day that you and I started out by agreeing on something!

:)

Court
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Benm2
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fischer motor co. is NOT putting America on the "sportbike map" with that proposed design. Besides not having alot of distinctive design (looks like a 999 to me), the engine is NOT an american motor. That bike, in MY opinion, only represents another semi-custom bike built around someone else's technology.

Whether or not I think the XB9 has enough power, it does use some interesting technology to squeeze capability out of a pushrod engine. And, there is no question that Buell has pushed the envelope of chassis design much farther than the Japanese or the Italians have (on a production bike anyway). From the here & now, the XB9 represents more "american engineering ingenuity" than that bike. It doesn't seem to me anything other than an assemblage of someone else's parts & ideas. Hey, its my opinion.

I wait paitiently for an XB7R with 100 hp (at the tire, not the piston rings) and (gasp) overhead cams......
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Buellnuts
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe Buell could buy the rights to produce this engine and go with it!
BrittenPower

In The Rain Forest, Bob
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Whatever
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 08:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Court,

When are we getting a show on 'girl's toys' ??? :devil:
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Lake_Bueller
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I only caught the last 30 minutes of the show. At least I got to see the entire segments on The Guggenheim, Britten & Buell :D I also liked the way the segwayed from motorcycles as art to Britten and his design philosophy to Erik Buell. My only wish is that they had included the XB9S. From a "visual" standpoint, it is a much more stunning design than the Firebolt.

Does anyone know when the show will repeat? I'd like to catch the whole thing.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Cjmblast
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>>History Channel's "Boy's Toys" on Motorcycles. <<<<<

Title on that one sucks !!!

CJM :(
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Kcfirebolt
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What a great piece of positioning and promotion for Buell in that TV show. Right after the Britten! I had to go out to the garage and sit on the Firebolt for a few min basking in the glow.

Congrats to the mothership. Hope the folks in East Troy raised a glass last night!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Lake_Bueller
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Went over to the Britten site this morning to get another look at the VR1000. What an awesome machine!!!!!!

I found this interesting tib-bit while reading the specs page....The VR1000 radiator was mounted under the seat. Now why couldn't/wouldn't H-D/Buell use that idea? I couldn't find any good pics of the smaller details (like exactly where the radiator was located).

Off to do more research :)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Lake_Bueller
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Found a pic of the radiator...

It looks like it was flat mounted directly under the seat. Not sure how I'd feel about riding 200+ miles with that thing roasting my nuts :)

Britten Radiator
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you'd just have to keep the speed up to lower the seat temps, wouldn't ya?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Sarodude
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court's post reminded me of something...

Earlier this year I went to the Art of the Motorcycle dealie at the Guggenheim in Las Vegas. Unfortunately I was with someone who, despite claiming to be a fan of motorcycles, had NO intention of actually immersing himself in what was offered there. I was rushed through and left longing for a proper visit.

Well, last month I returned with Loli. Not being rushed, we were both TOTALLY taken aback. The most interesting thing to me is the number of different ideas that were tried when no real definition of "Motorcycle" seemed to exist. LOTS of innovation. Maybe something to think about...

We spent a good deal of time there. It was fantastic. I hope to go again before the exhibit closes.

PLEASE do yourselves a favor and visit this exhibit. Go when you have lots of time to kill. Take it all in 'cause I think it's going away in Spring...

-Saro
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Court
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>>The VR1000 radiator was mounted under the seat.

COOL IDEA....wonder who came up with that??

:)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Nevco1
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The interesting thing about the Fisher bike besides using Gemini Technology Systems is that Glynn Kerr heads up the design team and uses a frame similar to the Firebolt's, sans gas tank. I for one am interested in what he did to it to improve on its cosmetics which he said were underwhelming in a different article.

There are a number of other interesting bits of info in the article, such as the use of the KTM/Rotax engine that many of you suggested Buell do in past posts. As well as competing with the Duc's, Aprilias and Hondas, etc.

The article is a good read. I wish Fisher well and will be interested to see what, if anything, Buell will do to up the ante.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Nevco1
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Correction on the engine...is Aprilia/Rotax.

However, it doesn't make much difference to me as I am holding out for the V-Rod powered SuperTracker and StreetFighter.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Madduck
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rumour mills are starting to heat up on an entirely new chassis package for the v-rod coming soon to a dealer near you.

Paul
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Nevco1
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Madduck...

God Bless HD/BMC if they materialize in my life time!!!
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Peter
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lake_Bueller,
The "fuel tank" has ductwork to flow air through the radiator and down into the area in front of the rear wheel. The idea being to remove the traditional low pressure area there and reduce drag.
PPiA
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Rotax has been around for a long time and has always been a power house.Ski-doo use's Rotax and have been around a long time.Also Sea- doo.I don't think the Rotax motor they will be using will be any thing like Aprilia they will have there own design.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Whatever
Posted on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court,

Did you happen to tape the show ? I will pay you for a copy ? (but not much ;) ).

Charlotte
« Previous Next »

Topics | Last Day | Tree View | Search | User List | Help/Instructions | Rules | Program Credits Administration