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Drummer
Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The races this year are being shown two weeks behind the actual event. I'm pretty sure they will be edited as well. I'll keep my comments and irritation to myself.

In any case, here is the schedule. Daytona is tonight (Saturday).

DAYTONA
Fri 3/6 8:30pm Daytona 200
Sat 3/21 11:00pm Daytona American Sport Bike

FONTANA
Sat 3/28 10:00pm Fontana American Sport Bike & DSB 1
Sat 4/4 10:00pm Fontana American Sport Bike & DSB 2

RD ATL
Sat 4/11 10:00pm Rd Atlanta American Sport Bike 1
Sat 4/18 10:00pm Rd Atlanta DSB 1
Sat 4/25 10:00pm Rd Atlanta American Sport Bike 2
Sat 5/2 10:00pm Rd Atlanta DSB 2

BARBER
Sat 5/9 10:00pm Barber American Sport Bike & DSB 1
Sun 5/17 10:00am Barber American Sport Bike & DSB 2

INFINEON
Sat 5/23 10:00pm Infineon American Sport Bike & DSB 1
Sat 5/30 10:00pm Infineon American Sport Bike & DSB 2

MILLER
Sat 6/6 11:30pm Miller American Sport Bike & DSB

RD AMERICA
Sat 6/13 10:00pm Rd America American Sport Bike 1
Sat 6/20 10:00pm Rd America DSB 1
Sat 6/27 10:00pm Rd America American Sport Bike 2
Sat 7/4 10:00pm Rd America DSB 2

LAGUNA
Sat 7/11 10:00pm Laguna American Sport Bike
Sun 7/19 2:00pm Laguna DSB

MID-OHIO
Sat 7/25 10:00pm Mid-Ohio American Sport Bike & DSB 1
Sat 8/1 10:30pm Mid-Ohio American Sport Bike & DSB 2

TOPEKA
Sat 8/8 10:00pm Topeka American Sport Bike & DSB 1
Sat 8/15 8:00pm Topeka American Sport Bike & DSB 2

VIRGINIA
Sat 8/22 10:00pm Virginia American Sport Bike & DSB 1
Sat 8/29 10:00pm Virginia American Sport Bike & DSB 2

NEW JERSEY
Sat 9/5 1:00pm New Jersey American Sport Bike & DSB 1
Sat 9/12 10:00pm New Jersey American Sport Bike & DSB 2
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Macdiver
Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agree that waiting 2 weeks for the race to be shown is not the best way to increase the popularity of motorcycle racing in America.

I for one will be DVRing the show and will probably watch it on Sunday. Even if you don't want to watch it after knowing the outcome, I recommend everyone set their DVR's or Tivo. This will reflect in the ratings and might lead to live or close to live events next year. If nobody watches or records these shows, then there might not be any coverage next year.
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P_squared
Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DVR is set. But then again, I always DVR WSBK, MotoGP and anything w/ Buell in it.
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Slaughter
Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My only hope is that by having regularly-scheduled programming that SPEED can bring in people to watch the sport that before this were not watching/participating.

Face, us folks who are already fans just aren't out here in big enough numbers to justify TV programming decisions. YEAH, we'd all like live coverage but this sport just has never had the draw in this country that it has in Europe.

I still don't own a TV so I'm not really the "Target Demographic."
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Bads1
Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IMHO, I think it stink's. My DVR is set but here in Wisconsin it won't air till 10PM tonight. Saturday is a not going to get people to sit home and watch a race. Steve you get to see it at 8. Most people are still out to eat. As far as I'm concerned its terrible. I already know the outcome. They dropped the ball in favor for Nascar. Oh well.... setting a DVR doesn't improve the ratings and lot of people have not a DVR. Motorcycling is going Poo Poo.
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Smoke
Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OH BOY- HIGHLIGHTS!!(sarcasm)
tim
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Sparky
Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 02:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AMA Races on SPEED? When you have live coverage two weeks later, that's becoming a perfect contradiction of terms.
Note: I didn't want to use the term 'oxymoron' because some NASCAR fans might possibly think they're being insulted.
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Smoke
Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 05:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

fell asleep prior to the show coming on last night. any good? ((i'm usually asleep by 10 and up at 4.)
tim
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Teddagreek
Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is Speed HD running a different schedule?
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Same weekend delayed coverage is understandable... But 2 weeks???

2 weeks later sucks!! I will already know the results and will forget the race is being shown on TV. So I still don't get to see it...
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Hosephnj
Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You think if we send enough emails to speed they might change the times at least later in the season....Maybe???
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Rhun
Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I sent my email. Less see when AMA ran road racing all races were televised at least once. Now that DMG is in charge two week old highlights. Yeah they are really making road racing mainstream.
PS who gives good online information about the races? Because DMG website sucks also.
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Buell2001b
Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think someone needs to put the race in youtube.com then we don;t have to wait for the gods at speed tv
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Hosephnj
Posted on Monday, March 23, 2009 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Email sent!!!
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Buell2001b
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

does anyone know how to get in touch with yahoo.com
they carry the scores for MotoGP, and WSBK
but no AMA. now this i get on the europe yahoo.
but the US yahoo shoudl have AMA.
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Jimidan
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought that way back when Rupert Murdock (a.k.a. Faux Noose) bought SPEED VISION that things were going to go NASCAR in a hurry. Well, I was wrong...it took a few years.

But I ALSO thought that when NASCAR bought AMA Pro racing that they would have some influence about the programming of live motorcycling events. Once again, I was wrong...it has gotten worse. Yeah, it sucks...but it means that I will just have to attend more races personally. That is a plus.
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Sd26
Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why would one assume that?

First, the rules structure needs to get in order. Whether that is recognition that the premier class is not a 600 class or whatever, that needs to be done first.

Next, racing generates revenue at the track. Race tracks pay a sanction to AMA Pro Racing to have spectators pay to get into their facility to see the racing up close, meet the riders, smell the exhaust, hear the roar.

Then TV. Pay to put all the events on TV for a non paying audience, except for their cable bills, and what is anyone getting that actually has a stake in the business? No purse to be paid to riders, certainly. You could watch the same bikes race at a club race if one expected riders to race for free. Or expect teams to operate with no spectators to show current or potential sponsors.

The track needs to put "heads in beds" to the local economies to keep themselves in good with citizens and government. To some, it's just a new kind of stinky pig farm that they want to get rid of.
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Rhun
Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The way to get people to the tracks is for them to get interested in racing. TV does that!!! If you just go to a track and watch without being in the know you see one or two corners no idea who is who or what happened. It's like Plato's shadow concept. People I work with stumble across racing on TV and get interested, watch the commercials, etc. Thus your missing exchange of money happens from this. The promoter gets TV money, probably more than a full house take. When Greg had his show he interviewed the riders and you got to know them. This made rooting for them more interesting. Then if you did go to a race or plan on watching, it had meaning. Meaning is a necessity to liking. Going to a race and enjoying the speed, skill, standing in line for 30 minutes for a caned line from a rider is nice. Going home and watching it on TV so I know what the heck happened. Priceless. Poor TV coverage limits the crowd at a race not the other way around. Advertisers like to see their name on TV and like to have a broader demographic than a venue draws. Poor TV coverage is a poor way to grow anything. why do you think pharmaceuticals fought so hard to get on TV?
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Sd26
Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How do you figure that the promoter gets the TV money?

AMA owns the rights to the series. It's theirs to sell.

The promoter promotes the event at each track. Their profit is generated by a guarantee up front regardless of the final result plus an opportunity for a percentage cut of front gate sales.

The track pays the AMA to bring their show. Purses, overhead for personnel, etc.

You can't have a TV package without an actual race event happening at a race track. The track has to generate the experience, the smell, the taste. It's the sizzle of the steak.}
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Redbuelljunkie
Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's like Plato's shadow concept.

If I did not have a degree in Philosophy, I would have no clue what you meant by this. That's definitely the most interesting reference I've seen on this forum.
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