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Pkforbes87
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Let me start with pictures of what DOESN'T work:

The hose clamps interfered with the back end of the saddlebag slipping behind the mounts. DOH!



(taken from the right side to show how the catch can was clamped to the inside of the saddlebag mount)


Now, for some pics of what does work:















And this time the saddlebag attaches without interference!





Had to throw some extra swag on the bike while I had it apart..



The next project will be installing a flush mounted plug for a battery tender and heated suit. Then wiring the trunk case for tail, brake, and signal lights.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A normal catch can by the oil cooler was too boring for you? : )
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Xbimmer
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm in the middle of my own catch can project. I'm trying to design it so I can mount it either up front by the cooler or in the airbox.

What did you use for the cylinder?
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 12:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

a "normal" catch can is a lot more expensive than the Pegasus can I chose. $16 for a nice chunk of billet - yes please.

I'm sure the XB motor won't puke as much as a tuber does, but after hanging a catch can in front of the engine on the X1, I'm paranoid about spraying oily mist all over the engine and attracting road grime just that much worse.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 01:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Xbimmer.. if you put a catch can in the airbox, how will you drain the can without popping the airbox off?
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Xbimmer
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hose to the outside with a valve.
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Dentguy
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Your drain hose going down then uphill to the catch will likely fill up with the junk you are catching (in the low spot). That will make it not want to breath. That breather hose needs to go all downhill to the catch can.

You want it to breath. It will be tough to breath through a hose full of junk.

(Message edited by dentguy on October 29, 2009)
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As Dentguy says, the hoses need to go downhill and work by gravity. The only reason they go uphill to the airbox is because the intake vacuum pulls the oily vapor uphill and then burns it. The amount that gets pulled into the airbox is minuscule at any given moment. Why not let the engine just burn it and not have to mess with the ongoing hassle of a catch can.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Change over to chain drive and then you can use it like a Scott oiler.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

Why not let the engine just burn it and not have to mess with the ongoing hassle of a catch can.




Because I like to cruise at 1300 rpm.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So that's how you get 60 mpgallon.
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Johnboy777
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What's the dog looking at?


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Pkforbes87
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

He was probably gazing at the foolish mounting location of that catch can, knowing that I would have to remove it later on.

Yeah I know.. male dog and a pink collar. When he starts lifting his leg to pee I'll be more than happy to upgrade him to a more masculine color.
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Aussiexbox
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 01:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My own 2 cents worth is.....why would you put it there?to me blowing snot all over the rear tyre...........................I see a whole lotta hurt coming somewhere?
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Armymedic
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just have the breather hose running down along to the oil cooler and leave it open vs the catch can. Too much air coming out of it to block it up as far as I'm concerned. My bike has run much better since doing this mod, esp at lower rpm.
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You could always put another fitting on top of the swingarm oil reservoir and close loop the darn thing. Anybody see a problem with that?
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That bike is too clean. Makes me feel a little funny.
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Pkforbes87
Posted on Monday, November 02, 2009 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Craig, if the whole breather setup is closed then there's no way to let the condensation out of the oil. Replacing the catch can with a section of hose that runs back into the swingarm, but leaving the breather filter on the other end of the "T" - that might be effective.. not sure. I'm guessing I'd still build up quite a bit of splooge in the oil though, not really worth the risk to engine internals for me to experiment with that type of setup.
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Pauley2000
Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What about a PCV or check valve in the existing vent tube?

I've done this to my dirt bikes as we seat deep the water all the time and it keeps a flooded airbox from draining down into the case.

Others may say it increases Hp, I just like oil on the oil side and water on the water side.
-p
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I get what you mean, PK. It would seem that the splooge is in the motor regardless and either gets vaporized into steam when the engine and oil gets hot enough and then it gets vacuumed up into the air box to be digested through combustion. If it just kept going down into the swingarm then it would eventually build up and that would be no good at all. Either needs to be burnt through the air box or collected into a catch can.
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