| Author | Message | ||
     Mark_weiss |
No Buell or HD tech can charge for the update. Right on the computer screen there is a column that is titled, "Chargeable". If the box for an updates reads, "Yes", the dealer can charge for the work. If the box reads, "No" the update cannot be charged to the customer. The 'y' update is listed as "No". Mark in Arizona | ||
| Ulyscol |
Just plugged into ECMspy, I would recommend anyone who has not already to reset your TPS after the flash. Mine was showing high values and I know the tech didn't reset it. Who knows maybe it will even run smoother after the reset!!! | ||
| California |
I'm having mine flashed tomorrow, will ride for the rest of the weekend to see what's what. | ||
| 9_ford |
Smp15 i think he's pulling your leg on the number of reflashes , back in the 1st of april i complained of the cough surge and fowled plugs on its maiden run below 3000 , my bike was built in sept 07 , bike #00342 , i ordered the 08 uly in sept 07 , it showed up at the dealer in january , the tech and i both know my bike only had the "o" ecm # , it has never been anywhere else , i had been back almost every day complaining of the spit and surge , yes i was a pain in their and buell's ass but they were persistant , the "y" ecm # was out roughly the 15th of june , these are the only ecm #'s that we are aware of | ||
| Ulyscol |
Here is a shot of the front cylinder after the flash. ECMspy seems to be acting weird. A lot of the functions don't work and an error reads something about unable to locate firmware. Values that used to read correct are now all over the place. Anyone else experience anything similar?  | ||
| Froggy |
Perhaps some sort of anti ecmspy thing? Who knows, perhaps someone else will have better luck. | ||
| 08uly |
hmmm... something definitely wrong there. Thanks for posting it Ulyscol. Were you able to save the eeprom txt file? Looks like Gunter has some work to do  --- 08Uly Uly Data Page  | ||
| 08uly |
Here is my front (pre-flash) compared to your front (post-flash). looks identical except for the TPS/RPM headers are all messed up on your image. Did they look that way while you were running ECMSpy?  --- 08Uly Uly Data Page (Message edited by 08uly on July 02, 2008) | ||
| Blk_uly |
Some one had reported earlier about the new patch had screwed up his speedometer. I think it was off by 5 mph or something like that anyone else have a problem? | ||
| Ulyscol |
My speed seems ok as compared to traffic flow but I don't have any gps to verify. 08_uly I do have the eeprom text file and the values under other maps are the messed up ones. I have %'s in the thousands. It shows my default open loop correction at 1567%  My cold start enrichment table is also way up there. | ||
| 08uly |
Gunter is saying 2008's are not supported on ECMSpy. http://www.ukbeg.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file= viewtopic&t=27685 I thought the 2008 was supported? "- automatic detect of ecm type (GC, IA, JA, KA, CB050, CB060, GB231, IB310 and OD0CB from 08)" http://www.ukbeg.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file= viewtopic&t=26122  --- 08Uly Uly Data Page | ||
| Tipsymcstagger |
Gunter is saying 2008's are not supported on ECMSpy. This sucks! I'm meeting Froggy this evening for what was supposed to be my first attempt at tweaking the ECM on my '08. I thought a few here had been successful at making changes with ECMSpy on the '08's? Anyone? I REALLY want to get rid of the off-idle stumble and the Drummer decel-popping. Thought today was going to be the day! Tipsy | ||
| Id073897 |
This sucks! I'm meeting Froggy this evening for what was supposed to be my first attempt at tweaking the ECM on my '08. Would you prefer a software sending false data to your ECM? I don't think so. Yes, it seemed, that we got EcmSpy working with some very early releases of 2008 models, but obviously it doesn't. Then I've seen more different and new ecm types in 2008 than since the first injected Buell ever. So Ralf and I decided to remove all 2008 models from the supported models list. Reading and writing the EEPROM might work for all (including 1125R), but not modifications made with EcmSpy. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Tipsymcstagger |
Would you prefer a software sending false data to your ECM? I don't think so. Hell no! I'm not criticizing, Gunter. Just expressing my disappointment that it seems I'm now no closer to eliminating the off-idle stumble and deceleration popping on my '08. What are the options for those of us with 2008's? Can the dealer make the necessary adjustments with Direct Link? Tipsy (Message edited by tipsymcstagger on July 03, 2008) | ||
| Id073897 |
I don't know the Direct Link software. The only option with EcmSpy so far is modifying the eeprom content directly. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Anonymous |
9_ford..... As this is my first post, I will keep it simple as possible.... I have seen the "U", "W" and now the "Y" flashes for the 08 XB 12's.... Quote..."i think he's pulling your leg on the number of reflashes , back in the 1st of april i complained of the cough surge and fowled plugs on its maiden run below 3000 , my bike was built in sept 07 , bike #00342 , i ordered the 08 uly in sept 07 , it showed up at the dealer in january , the tech and i both know my bike only had the "o" ecm # , it has never been anywhere else , i had been back every day (IF YOU WERE IN EVERY DAY, AND YOUR TECH WAS DOING WHAT YOU ARE STATING, YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE "u" AND THE "w"... )complaining of the spit and surge, yes i was a pain in their and buell's ass but they were persistant , the "y" ecm # was out roughly the 15th of june , these are the only ecm #'s that we are aware of" I look at cals each and every time a bike hits my lift, as long as it is in stock config, I owe it to the customer.... Granted, the bossman doesn't think too highly of it, as it generates zero $$$, but the customer is happy, and to me, that is most important... | ||
| California |
Mine is installed, and my opinions is. . . Much smoother at idle, so much so that the windshield, even with the Palmer bracket does not vibrate, hardly at all. I was amazed that even at first crank this morning there was almost no traditional Sportster like vibes. Initial power at low rpm's is noticeably smoother, much more linear torque feel. I haven'r ridden far enough to assess fuel economy, but I did immediately fill the tank so the next report will be strictly running the new flash. So far, I am very happy! The tech said that there is nothing in this flash that has anything to do with heat or mileage issues, how he would know that, I don't know, but, it sure is smoother, and has less vibes. | ||
| 9_ford |
Anonymous i can only post what we have found , maybe here in canada programs are different , but i know the "y" program is leaps and bounds above the origional , my intention was not to call people liars about the # of programs sorry if it offended | ||
| Joenuclear |
"maybe here in canada programs are different" The programs are tweaked for the individual countries requirements. This patch isn't applicable to Germany since their exhaust has a catalytic converter. It may even be regional, after the patch my XT won't pass a BBQ joint w/o stalling.  | ||
| 08uly |
Gunter, When you say "modifying the eeprom content directly" do you mean using ECMSpy to read & write the eeprom? Can we rely on ECMSpy to fetch and burn the eeprom of the 2008 so long as you are only editing the Hex directly and are not relying on the various buttons & pages designed to simplify editing the Hex? Example (on the OD0CB eeprom): 1. Changing 0x0258 from 99 to 01 should turn off the Active Muffler Control. 2. Instead of using this  I know there are no guarantees and any editing is done at your own risk. Regards, --- 08Uly Uly Data Page (Message edited by 08uly on July 05, 2008) | ||
| Blk_uly |
had my 08 uly re flashed today and noticed a day & night difference much more responsive now. I had what I would describe as a dead spot on the throttle just off idle but now its all gone! but of course the speedo has an error 3 mph to the plus side but who cares runs great I'm happy so far (Message edited by blk_uly on July 08, 2008) | ||
| Smpl5 |
I had mine done on Monday ... I had stopped by Cerini's (Western PA) to pick up my wife's bike, and the tech offered to flash it for me while I waited! Awesome service! I had planned to wait until my next service, as the shop is some distance from my home. I also noticed that it was considerably smoother below 3k. I didn't notice much of a difference at highway speeds, though. As it happens, I needed gas right after the reflash, so I'll be interested to see how I do on my next tank. I haven't ridden much since the ride home due to work and weather -- I prefer my Uly air cooled, not liquid (i.e. rain)!. I expect to ride tomorrow again in some stop-and-go traffic and am anxious to see how it does. | ||
| Conchop |
Got mine. Right from rolling out of the dealership, there was a notable difference in the bottom end. Power delivery is smoother and the overall powerband is certainly more linear. Even with the new isolator, I still have the 2500 to 3000 rpm buzz. Sucks. A lot of it has been tamed with old school tricks. But I'm still against the wall with the end cause of the vibe. A motor noise starts at 2500; goes away at 3000. On the open road, the bike is a dream machine, BUT, on the tight twisty hilly 1st and 2nd gear back roads, she is needing some help. Any more idea's? | ||
| Nav18tor |
All I did was change the headers for the 07 model, fit a HP Big Oval can and the airbox breather mod No stumble or stalling now... | ||
| Odinbueller |
I just ran across this thread, and I hope I can shed a little light on this subject. From what I've seen, Buell will release updated stock calibrations to the dealer network via the diagnostic tool known as Digital Tech II. These are non chargeable as a part number, but service departments may charge labor for the update process. These calibrations may be as drastic as the 1125R re-flash product program that addresses a multitude of customer concerns. But unless it is addressed in a product program, the updated calibration will tweak fuel & spark maps, small changes to improve overall performance and economy. Sometimes it's to adjust for fuel grade or mixed fuels that you get from time to time. These are not patches, nor are they a "beta" version of a calibration; they are just the latest version of a calibration. I had a customer on a Firebolt that had some runability concerns, so I checked fuel pressure, spark, all were OK. Then I hooked up DT2 to show that a new stock calibration was available for that bike. After the re-flash, no problems. Yes, the software itself is not chargeable, but there may be a small labor charge involved to do the re-flash. Now, for those with ECMSpy or DirectLink, you can actually, prior to doing the re-flash, save you existing calibration, then after the re-flash, compare the values. Then you can see exactly what changed. Of course, I would only recommend that this be done by experienced personnel only, but you guys & gals are free to tinker all you want  Hope this helps, Chris | ||
| Nav18tor |
Oh yes, and its worth mentioning, in the UK the 08 Ulysses comes with smaller bore headers and a cat, could be California spec? That's why I swopped out to 07 model headers | ||
| Crusty |
Pardon my ignorance, but is this patch for all 2008 XBs or just the Ulys? My wife has a 2008 XB12Ss, and I have an XT. We both seem to be getting similar fuel mileage (around 40-43 MPG) I plan on calling my dealer about having my bike re-flashed, and I wonder if we should get her Lightning done as well. Gas prices being what they are, it would be a help. | ||
| 9_ford |
crusty -- the flash is availible for ALL 08 xb12 series bikes , at least here in canada it is | ||
| Ratbuell |
The flash also applies to 2008 XB9SX. | ||
| Odinbueller |
Here's the list of updated calibrations available from Digital Tech for 2008 Buell models only; XB9SX Only - Calibration Number M39US27y XB12 (All Models) - Calibration Number M31US25y This is straight from the "What's New Section", and at the bottom lists updated H-D & Buell calibrations. Hope this helps, Chris |
