| Author | Message | ||
     Electraglider_1997 |
I got and installed it (a few seconds) tonight. Only had to remove the seat to take out the homemade heat shield because this kit is made to flow the hot air rearward as will be quite evident from my many photos. Does it work? It certainly flows hot air rearward when the fan comes on, that much I know already. How well it does it's job I'll be able to tell you all more tomorrow evening.             | ||
| Az_m2 |
Thanks for the pics! I wondered how those attached. In the winter, I kinda like feeling the hot air come out the sides after I stop and take off the gloves, but in the summer, it can sure get hot on the legs. Will be interesting to see how much those help. Please let us know. | ||
| Lorazepam |
I wonder if they improve airflow enough at speed to help with cooling? I like the foil duct idea, but I wonder how it changes airflow at speed. The rear cylinder depends on the flow of air through the fan even when it isnt running. I imagine the rear tire causes some turbulence that may limit airflow. I am interested in how well they work. | ||
| Bertotti |
So now you will cook the passenger instead, so it seems. I may be wrong but if that is the case it isn't a fix just a bandaid. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Where do you get those from? Doesn't look too bad and might be worth trying anyway. Airflow behaves in a strange way sometimes. Those deflectors may cause enough back pressure to divert most of the air down over the rear hugger instead of cooking the passenger. My fan runs less with the foil in place, tested back to back over the same course many times. When one looks at the R body it looks like all the air flow through the X in the frame at the rear head is nicely funneled by the seat and body down with the air through the fan. The seat pan on the Uly appears to try to block it. I bet the Lightnings do too. I've laid my hand on the fuel frames of a lot of XBs on rides and the Firebolts always seem a lot cooler IMHO. I bet there's a relationship there! My Firebolt has never cooked me like my Uly has. It was pointed out to me that right at the top of that pocket of hot air was where the 06 airbox openings were and now the airbox has openings everywhere but there. Sadly using foil to duct the fan doesn't help with this hot air blowing out around the front corners of the seat. But these deflectors might help. I'd like to try them along with the foil. (Message edited by unibear12r on July 21, 2007) | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
My wife and son ride their own sleds so I don't ride with a passenger. Unibear: I ordered them at my dealer as soon as I read about them here on BadWeb. Took about a week and they called that the kit had arrived. I think I might drill a hole in each to be able to cable tie them to the frame so they aren't so easily stolen. | ||
| Bertotti |
Electraglider_1997 where the heck did you find a temp gage to fit the oil res? That is brilliant. I've been wanting front and rear cylinder temp sensors also but haven't begun the search yet. I will be trying those deflectors also the price is just about right for it to be a non issue and are easily removable enough to give me my heating back in cold weather. | ||
| Buellerandy |
I'm glad to see someone finally took pics after putting them on. Happy to hear the testimonial! I finally got those in stock so if anyone else wants to rock them, just let me know. | ||
| Captain_nartman |
Looks better than Viewin the Crappy Plastic Rear Brake Fluid Pot. I Aint Got a Dealer here in the Territory.. is there a Direct Link to Somewhere I can Order them From?? Cheers fer the Photos btw. N x | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I think I might drill a hole in each to be able to cable tie them to the frame so they aren't so easily stolen.  You have a lot of Uly's in you area? If mine end up stolen, I'm kickin' Chad's ass 'cause I know where they went. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
Bertotti, I made it with a Taylor meat thermometer. Cost less than 10 bucks at Ace Hardware. Can find most anywhere but Ace had best selection. Cut off the Buell dip stick and save it for later for marking level lines on new metal thermometer probe. You'll need to drill an appropriate size hole down through top Buell dipstick and out through where you cut off the Buell plastic dipstick. Next step is to counter bore with a spade bit and then RTV silicone in the temp probe. Before siliconing into probe into bored dipstick calibrate the Taylor temp probe per Taylor instructions in hard boiling water to 212 degrees F. Also before you silicone it in place make sure to screw it into the swingarm tank to orient the view you want to see when it is fully screwed in. If you screw it up and have to start over a new ULY dipstick is only about 5 bucks. Add upper and lower oil level lines by lightly crimping with wire cutter and turning to score lines. Figure it out from my attached photos. Photos were clearer until I had to dummy down to 71 kilobytes. Works great and if yours ends up looking like mine then it is just as easy to screw in or out as the stock dipstick.   | ||
| Paochow |
Thanks for sharing the pics. They look like a simple design, but should do the job. You must have a good dealer. I checked at my local dealer today and they said they couldn't order the 08 stuff until August or September. Anyone know if Andy is carrying these yet? | ||
| Buellerandy |
Yes, I have them on my accessory wall  | ||
| Bienhoabob |
Paochow, I got my air deflector kit from Uke's in Kenosha. They didn't have the '08 items in their computer, but a simple phone call to 'parts central' took care of that. Bob | ||
| Bertotti |
My store hasn't entered them in yet but will monday and order them for me. I am to new here still. I didn't realize we could order from a fellow badwebber. I will next time how do I go about it Buellerandy? Thanks for the pics on the dipstick. Why i need it i don't know but I do like to see the temp and watch for variation, same reason I want cylinder head temps as well. | ||
| Paochow |
Cool-Thanks for the prompt reply Andy. I'll be throwing together a parts list and giving you a call in the next week or two. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Bertotti, Andy works for Appleton HD/Buell in Appleton, WI, a sponsor of this board. If you go to the sponsors section (http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/171 43/17143.html?1185048886), you'll see several sources for Buell parts. Andy keeps a lot of stuff in stock that most dealers have to order from the factory. IIRC, BadWeb members get a 10% discount, which basically offsets the shipping charges. So for the same money local dealer would charge you for a part, you can save yourself two trips and have the part delivered to your door at least as quickly as your dealer could get it. (Message edited by hughlysses on July 21, 2007) | ||
| Bertotti |
Thanks Hughlysses I think I will cancel my order with the local shop. I am a bit sore that after two months i am still back ordered on the airbox cover but I know that isn't there fault. I feel that they should carry some Buell stuff though. They carry nothing and I am fed up with it. | ||
| Bertotti |
Electraglider_1997 now that you have had the deflectors on does it seem to help" Does the fan run any more or less in your opinion? | ||
| Captain_nartman |
Buellerandy, Didya Get me reply Email matey? Just waitin on a Price to Oz n I'll Shootya the Missus (she loves me) CC Details. N x | ||
| Mlcavassa |
I understand that these deflectors are/will be standard on the '08 Ulysses. Correct? Changing the subject a bit, has anyone tried the deflectors in conjunction with a right-side air scoop as part of their heat management strategy? Thoughts? | ||
| Captain_nartman |
I have the RSS so I'll Letya know Soon as Andy Sends em. Summer aint Too Far Off again here in Alice Springs, with a Daily Average fer 6+ Months of 38C or 100 in your Scale. N x | ||
| Mlcavassa |
Thanks, Captain! I'm looking forward to the feedback! | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
After riding with them yesterday I would say they do not perform very well in keeping heat off of right leg. The gaps around the front of the 06' seat are sufficient enough that plenty of heat still blows out and hits my right thigh. The gap I speak of if forward of the new heat deflector so it does nothing to address that heat. In fact, my homemade fix apparently was working quite well because after removing it to install the new deflectors I again notice the heat whereas before I wasn't having much of a problem. I'd have to say that the deflectors are a nice dress up piece that hide a lot of parts that are better left hidden. There you have it. I give them two thumbs up for appearance and 2 down for heat management. I have a few engineering ideas I am going to try but will keep them to myself until I try them and see if they help. Hope to have something to say about that in a couple of weeks. | ||
| Mlcavassa |
Great feedback. Thanks! The Uly is at the very top of a very short list of which bike I'll purchase in the immediate future, and the heat issue is my single biggest concern. I know it's not an issue for some, but I don't like being made uncomfortable by heat build-up. Special O.P.S. appears to have a nice heat barrier (http://www.specialops-online.com/11401.html) which may, in conjunction with the deflectors, help(?). Have you (or anyone else?), tried a like or similar solution, and, if so, did it work? | ||
| Unibear12r |
Well I did the foil trick again and stretched a flat piece down over the head and tucked down behind the fuel frame on the right side. Secured it with the airbox cover screw on the back right side. Did not have have high hopes at all but was quite surprised as now I'm mostly just feeling the heat from just the engine low on my right calf. Noticeably cooler than the left side now and over all ok for me now. I think I'll still get the deflectors though. | ||
| Beullerbeuller |
Standby Mlcavassa, I have both a set of deflectors (from Andy) and the heat barriers (from Odie - Special OPS) on order. Should have one or both installed in the next couple of weeks. I'll try the different combinations and get back to everyone here.... Al B | ||
| Hughlysses |
Well I did the foil trick again and stretched a flat piece down over the head and tucked down behind the fuel frame on the right side. Secured it with the airbox cover screw on the back right side. Unibear, could you post a photo or two of the foil installation? I'm interested to see what you've done. I have the Special Ops heat barriers and they work pretty well, but after seeing how the factory deflectors are configured, I was a little concerned that Odie's side barriers might be restricting the airflow (there are 3 separate pieces). The Special Ops side barriers basically keep any air from blowing out from under the sides of the seat. I tried running without the side barriers today- I actually took one of them and placed it down between the rear cylinder head and the right side of the frame temporarily. It did seem to cut down the heat transfer to the frame. With the Special Ops side pieces removed, I could tell no difference in the fan operation, so I don't see how they could be restricting the fan airflow. They just force the air from the fan to exit under the seat pan and above the rear hugger. OTOH, the large heat barrier under the seat doesn't seem to do much without the side barriers in place. I ordered a set of the deflectors from Andy yesterday; I'm curious to see if a combination of Odie's heat barriers and the new deflectors will work better than either alone. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Ok here's some new pics...  Side view foil & seat in place  View from back seat off  Right back seat off  Left back seat off  Right side of XB12R to compare  Top back seat off of XB12R to compare  Top looking down through shock well on XB12R Picture of the bottom of the two seats didn't turn out well enough to show the differences. On the 12R the airflow from high up around the rear head seems to be channeled by seat and body towards the shock well and down over the rear hugger with the air through the fan. On the Uly it looks like it is partially blocked but what's left comes out the gaps and under the seat onto the riders legs. It's not as bad on the left because of the electrical wiring blocking the way. The air path down the shock well on the 12R is so much larger, smoother and straighter! Sorry I forgot to post a before pic of the Uly guys but you can compare the R to your bikes. The foil on the Uly was painted flat black to blend in and stands out more in the flash than real life. I was surprised to find my fan on the Uly ran noticeably less with the lower foil ducting the air down the shock well. Still it runs quite a bit more than on the R | ||
| Bertotti |
Great pics, thanks! | ||
| Arcticktm |
I have all 3 Special Ops heat blankets on my '06. The right side one is worth it, no doubt. Save my right thigh from the worst of the heat. I cannot tell much difference w or w/o the left side. The underseat blanket seems to help, but not enough. They are worth a try for the very fair price, but I would not get the left side one unless you had a specific left side heat issue. Heat through the seat is the limiting factor in how long I can ride the Uly in the summer without a break. I cannot say I noticed any difference in the fan operation w or w/o the blankets. It runs a lot, as always! These heat issues are my #1 concern with the Uly, and the only reason I ever consider riding my BMW. The boxer doesn't heat me up at all, but is behind the Buell in almost every other way. I should point out that it is the cruiser model BMW, to be fair (not a GS). | ||
| Captain_nartman |
Buellerandy ya Got them (deflectors) in Stock yet Mate?? I've Emailed ya again. Ya have ALL me Details matey n Visa info. N x | ||
| Captain_nartman |
Got em Today Andy, Fitted, n they LOOK F#$%^& BRILLIANT!! Cheers Bloke. N x |
