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Blake
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 05:53 am: |
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I wonder how difficult it would be to mount up a fake radiator on a test mule and run it around town causing a stir, all the while disguising the real surpise. |
Gentleman_jon
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 08:14 am: |
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Nothing the matter with water cooled engines, if that is what you want. I started riding fifty years ago, and seem to have gotten by without the benefit of H20. Don't see the need to start now. That being said, the design of the Buell engine would not be improved by simply water cooling it. Improved power would require other changes to allow higher rpm such as short stroke, multi valves, the usual. I have often wondered why no one has come up with an innovative cooling system somewhere between conventional "automotive" watercooling, and pure air/oil cooling. I was thinking of a miniature refrigerant unit to cool the heads, or something entirely different, that would allow a modified version of our engines to put out another twenty horsepower or so, without losing all of their traditional character. |
Djkaplan
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 08:45 am: |
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I bought my Buell because it was an innovative motorcycle. Whether it's air or water-cooled is of no consequence to me. |
Jscott
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 08:58 am: |
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Nova, Nova, Nova!!! |
Xbenign
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 09:33 am: |
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Like Gentleman_jon says, more horse power means higher revs. Higher revs means giving up on the self-adjusting valves. Add to that your water cooling and you really start to eliminate the low maintenance advantage of the Buells. (Message edited by xbenign on September 06, 2006) |
Red_chili
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 09:40 am: |
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There are low-rev waterpumper V twins around. One thing does not lead to another necessarily, it only may if the designer wishes. You wouldn't lose the fan. It would just move. Given Buell's history, if they built a waterpumper it would be unique, efficient, beautiful in a technical and bare-knuckled way, and it would make its own place in the market because of it. I like my Uly... |
Dragonbuell12r
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 09:43 am: |
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over head cams please. |
Glitch
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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How does liquid cooling make more HP? |
Spiderman
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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well, in the simplist explanation... hp creates heat. the more and the quicker you can remove the heat the more hp you can create. there is more to it than that but that is a quick way to explain it... how bout a PS spermback water cooled buell is in order |
99buellx1
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:26 am: |
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quote:I wonder how difficult it would be to mount up a fake radiator on a test mule and run it around town causing a stir, all the while disguising the real surpise.
I was thinking the same thing. |
Macbuell
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 10:28 am: |
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I like my air cooled engine. I love the sound, the feel and the look. That being said, I'd really love 20 more ponies at the wheel. Now here is the real question, and I am not an engineer so don't flame me, but wouldn't it be possible for Buell to build a new air cooled V-twin not based on a Harley Sportster engine that is lighter and more powerful than the current engines? That's what I am hoping for. |
Barker
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 01:48 pm: |
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Some body please post the pix of this mystery machine. |
Chainsaw
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 02:07 pm: |
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To me, the beauty of an air cooled bike is simply one less fluid to leak. |
Rubberdown
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 02:25 pm: |
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Amen to that, Chainsaw. |
Outrider
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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The concept pic is a side view of a Sporty with a V-Rod style radiator, rear fender and Headlamp. Good looking bike in my opinion. |
Lake_bueller
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 03:52 pm: |
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Can anybody scan a picture? |
Buellerthanyou
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 04:06 pm: |
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I'm thinkin' a hydrogen-powered, liquid nitrogen-cooled, upside-down v-twin fully exposed in a molybdenum frame...'course I just took a lot of illegal drugs! HellBuelly J "I love my Buell(s)" --HBJ |
Greenlantern
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 04:27 pm: |
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<I'm thinkin' a hydrogen-powered, liquid nitrogen-cooled, upside-down v-twin fully exposed in a molybdenum frame...' "with a compass in the stock"
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Jaimec
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 04:31 pm: |
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Nah, you'll just shoot your eye out with that thing. |
Whodom
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 04:32 pm: |
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"with a compass in the stock" Ahh, the new Buell "Red Rider"... |
Bads1
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 04:33 pm: |
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You'll shoot your antfreeze out kid. Seriously though I'm trying to get my scanner to its job. You'll see even the cylinders are different. |
Bads1
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 05:09 pm: |
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Did the best I could. I hope its readable.
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Teddagreek
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 05:21 pm: |
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Push Rods..... Interesting Does the article have any proposed specs for the motor? Okay you photo choppers work your magic.. |
Spiderman
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 05:35 pm: |
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that looks photochopped... |
M1combat
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 05:43 pm: |
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Well... It looks photochopped to me because the lower end of the sporty motor doesn't look like that any more. That said... Sounds plausible to me. The testing grounds are indeed in AZ (or they do testing here anyway). Anyone know where they're at? I could take a run by there at some point and see what I see . I won't say anything though . It's the Ford proving grounds right? I have a ghillie suit... |
Bads1
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 06:28 pm: |
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It doesn't M1!!! You better go look again. |
Jscott
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 06:32 pm: |
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Photoshopped. They credit "Damon Moran" with the illustration at the top of the page. |
Bads1
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 06:34 pm: |
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M1 heres a 2007 for reference.
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45_degrees
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 06:42 pm: |
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XBRR engine... air-cooled... 150 HP. I'll bet this engine is destined for our street Buells... it's fully shrouded too and is completely reliable for demanding and severe race use... Buell isn't racing simply for racing, but to gain knowledge and technology for the street bikes... maybe slightly "detuned" for at least 120+ hp. Light-weight titanium connecting rods and intake valves would be nice too like Corvette's LS7 427 smallblock. |
Nasty73z
| Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2006 - 06:59 pm: |
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That is 100% a photo chop. That is V-rod body work grafted onto a standard sportster. Looks terrible. |