| Author | Message | ||
     Buellrain |
Here you go, pics don't really do them justice:-)   | ||
| Rogue_biker |
Don't get me started on California's budget! What a cluster fxxx! Okay back to the ASV levers vs the Chinese copies. It's just a brake lever. I understand that. But seriously, if you want to SAVE money, keep your OEM levers. Nothing wrong with those. But if you're going to bling it out, bling it baby! Put the real deal and spend the extra $120 on Made in the USA, or equal quality parts. Isn't that the whole point of replacing these parts for better ones? Otherwise, why even do it? I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but my earlier point was most of us here will blow $120 in Vegas in a New York minute! So why try to save this same amount on an important part of your 1125R? It's False Economy! If you want to save money, put $120 in a Savings Account every month! I don't have problems buying Chinese made products. Unlike before, the Chinese are capable of making really high quality stuff. Americans can build POS stuff too! LOL! However, if given a choice between a US-Made product of higher quality vs a Chinese made product of inferior quality, I would buy the US-Made product. I'm talking about motorcycle parts here, and you can substitute auto parts as well. These are important parts and you want them to function & fit properly, not crack or break, or not be durable enough to last. In a crash you want the levers to do what they're suppose to do, that is, break mid-point so you can ride the bike home. It won't save stuff being outsourced, but it makes me feel good, and I get a better quality part. | ||
| Jules |
Buellrain - glad you got them and are happy  Rogue - you're right there is no "break point" on those levers so where they snap in a crash is in the lap of the Gods. Fortunately they're shorties so the chances are they won't hit the deck if you do fall off, the bar ends will. You could always carry the OEM levers with you just in case | ||
| Buellrain |
Rogue, your right blowing some cash on the tables in Vegas is easily done, but also enjoyable, you never know you might win. I took a look at the ASV site and must admit they look sweeeeet, however I thought they were $130 a set not $125 a lever!!!+shipping. I didnt realise they were set in titanium with platinum plating.... Knowing that makes me even happier with the $42 a set including shipping Hong Kong specials. About the bike going down and snapping a lever the bar end would hit first,but even if it did'nt I would be a little more concerned of my own well being along with the rest of the bike, the $21 lever would'nt even come to mind. I think i'll put the money saved on levers to some new rear rubber. Ride Safe  | ||
| Rogue_biker |
The HK Levers do look better than the OEM levers. Who knows? Those OEM levers may be made in the same factory! They look good either way. | ||
| Northernyankee |
I have a set of Chinese levers on my Gixxer Track bike and I can't find any difference between them and the Pazzo's on my XB that cost 3x as much. | ||
| Datsaxman |
Interesting discussion... Steve Natt and others, the money I saved on two sets of levers was enough to pay for my four day motorcycle trip last week. Not "ten minutes in Vegas" or "two dinners" or whatever you wealthier folks drop discretionary money on. About 12% of my monthly wage. 18% of what I have left after paying only the mortgage. Look up the word "infinitesimal". The comparison between buying (ASV, Pazzo) and (Hong Kong) is false, at least in my case. There is NO WAY that I could or would buy the high priced levers. So "food being taken off a union man's table" or other highfalutin' jingoistic talk is also false. If paying a lot more makes you feel patriotic, great. I was also shocked when I saw that the price was *each*. Froggy and others, stock levers are not the issue. Shorties are functionally better, as the reach is shorter, and it is a bunch easier to cover the brake lever more of the time (safer), and also easier to use the throttle and the brake in succession (safer). Bling? Hardly... I bought a Buell (and another, and another on THURSDAY!) because it is a better product for the money. So is my Dodge Diesel. So are the Hong Kong levers. $0.02 | ||
| Froggy |
Ok a question for you, but wouldn't having the shorty levers make it less safe? Less lever to pull on would mean less leverage would it not? It looks like I could only get two fingers on a short lever vs all 4 on a full length. I have a hard enough time giving enough brake force as it is with all 4 fingers on the lever, I can only see the short ones making things worse. I'm am thinking of picking up a set of ASV and a set of Hong Kong levers to compare. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Froggy when you are done with the comparo send me the set you dont like | ||
| Datsaxman |
Froggy, I can lock/slide/stoppie (depending on tyre and weight distribution) the front with one finger upright on clean, dry tarmac. Any one except the pinky, your choice. If I needed all four, definitely the stock levers would be safer. YMMV. | ||
| Blake |
I can't believe how many Socialists there are in America. Griping about for-profit health care??? REALLY???  Uhmmmm, what do you think spurred the development of most of the incredible new medical technology, medicines, and procedures/treatments that we enjoy? It sure wasn't from charity or an edict by the government. You take away the profit motive, and you can kiss all that kind of wondrous medical advancement good-bye. >>> Anonymous, so are you saying that Americans are overpaid? Obviously not, but that could be one inference from what you said. He was clearly saying that many people are flaming hypocrites, bemoaning jobs lost to China out one side of their mouth, then out the other side turning around and whining about the higher cost of American goods. No more Chinese products for me if at all possible. I visited three different stores and paid an extra $8 to buy a new non-China made trailer hitch ball the other day. It wasn't made in America, but it wasn't made in communist China. I also learned that it might make sense to go into the trailer hitch ball making business. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Blake - "No more Chinese products for me if at all possible. I visited three different stores and paid an extra $8 to buy a new non-China made trailer hitch ball the other day. It wasn't made in America, but it wasn't made in communist China." +1 | ||
| Court |
I tried to do a "MADE IN USA" Christmas (we can still say that here, right?) for the family. Coolest part was finding this stuff for the Grandkidlet. Wife ended up with girl stuff from Italy . . but then . . she's from Italy, too. These . . "I want MADE IN USA threads become terribly predictable and always seem to have a "but I went ahead and bought somewhere/thing else and saved $3.25" | ||
| Jules |
These . . "I want MADE IN USA threads become terribly predictable You're so right there... | ||
| Blake |
Danny, >>> If China decided tomorrow to stop, STOP exporting to America, how fast would America come grinding to a stop. I dunno, about a week after they did? China's entire economy depends upon exports. It's not a situation without serious problems for them either. >>> Not having domestic industries leaves the U.S. in a vulnerable position. We are told this is progress. Huh? America doesn't have domestic industries? What are you talking about? Do you actually believe what you are saying? Wow. America exports over a TRILLION dollars worth of goods and services every year. China does too. China also has more than three times the population, the average income there is, and China's GDP per capita is about 1/5th of ours. A full 34% of America's exports are in the high tech sector. 19% of China's exports are high tech, just ahead of Germany at 18%. >>> True the military industrial establishment isn't going away. I've been asking for a long time for someone to actually define for me what exactly the "military industrial establishment/complex" is. If a corporation gets 20%% of its business from DOD contracts, is it part of it?  Who do we want supplying our military? Us of course. We all agree on that I think!  >>> We have had a divisive society for years and a mental health system that can't address the 'fallout' that it creates, as witnessed in Arizona this weekend.... What??? Huh??? A "divisive society" is what causes assassinations and murders? We have "a mental health system"??? Huh? Which department of the supreme leader does that fall under? Most doctors, I mean like nine out of ten, that I know HATE the federal gov't meddling in health care. Truth is that free-market, competition, survival of the fittest, the law of natural selection gently reined in by anti-monopoly and other proper law is what makes this world thrive and prosper, it is what creates prosperity for the most people. The 5,000 Year Leap, an excellent book. Before America, the world was pretty much stagnant. It was free enterprise and freedom that allowed the MASSIVE leap in global prosperity. This is a fact that is not disputable by reasonable minds. Yeah, yeah, so what you say... we have our own troubles these days. Do we? Really? Is the solution to wipe out the system (free enterprise) that created such amazing prosperity? I don't think so. Try to mandate jobs and prosperity goes bye-bye. If you want more of anything, have the government subsidize it. You want more unemployed, have the gov try to help the unemployed. You want more poor, have the gov help the poor. You want more Buell motorcycles... D'OH!  The only jobs program that makes any sense is to increase the size of our military. Funny how the libs/progressives/socialists--not calling you a lib, just making a statement in general--always want big brother to create jobs while at the same time demanding we slash military spending. Apparently a military job, or a job providing goods and/or services to the military doesn't count as a job for them. It's a damn strange way of looking at the world. LOL. | ||
| Blake |
Great site, assuming information is accurate... Patents granted per million people population... http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_pat_gra-econ omy-patents-granted Very telling. Average GDP in China per person? $865 In America? $33,070. Just 38 times higher. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gro_nat_inc_ percap-gross-national-income-per-capita Purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita (factors above per capita GDP by the ratio of the price of bread and other goods and services people typically purchase in order to figure actual purchasing power relative to other nations)... American is $39,319 versus China's is $5,453. | ||
| Blake |
As to the levers, are both of the same alloy and both of the same quality hard-anodizing? Same tolerance in holes and fitment? | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
Its really funny, half of this thread is politics, and half is actually about levers. +1 Blake And one point for those that have been arguing about the levers. For me, I would never buy the ASV levers, I'm not going to spend that much on levers. So for me its not Asv's vs. Chinese, it Chinese or nothing. | ||
| Curve_carver |
Im having fun reading this thread. As far as I'm concerned I think you are all correct. Merry Christmas and happy new years to all!! | ||
| Curve_carver |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata _player&v=DM7CL-Vyo1U Pretty cool stuff | ||
| Dannybuell |
Blake: Huh? America doesn't have domestic industries? What are you talking about? Do you actually believe what you are saying? Wow. Go buy an auto part, it is made in China or Taiwan. >>> True the military industrial establishment isn't going away. xxx I've been asking for a long time for someone to actually define for me what exactly the "military industrial establishment/complex" is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military%E2%80%93indu strial_complex, or John Kenneth Galbraith's 'The New Industrial State' >>> We have had a divisive society for years and a mental health system that can't address the 'fallout' that it creates, as witnessed in Arizona this weekend.... XXX What??? Huh??? A "divisive society" is what causes assassinations and murders? Stretch the boundaries of civility long enough and the weakest link will break. xxxTruth is that free-market, competition, survival of the fittest, the law of natural selection gently reined in by anti-monopoly and other proper law is what makes this world thrive and prosper, it is what creates prosperity for the most people. OMG. xxxThe only jobs program that makes any sense is to increase the size of our military. OMG. Funny how the conservatives/facists/religious right --not calling you a con, just making a statement in general-- They want big brother to help the monied interests/wall street while at the same time telling people to get a better education so we can compete in this new world. It doesn't take an education to compete with the 3rd world. Do you know what a red herring is? It's a damn strange way of looking at the world, pull the rug out from American labor and then them to get smarter. LOL. | ||
| Pkl131 |
Just put a set of the CRG levers on mine. While they appear to be high quality, the boxes they come in are ridiculous. Fancy box, levers in-between egg crate foam with plastic emblems/stickers attached from a chain, blah,blah. I've seen nice jewelry in worse packaging. It's a lever for god's sake. Oh yea... They came with a 'free' hat. | ||
| Dannybuell |
LOL not so green and a $5.00 hat too! | ||
| Zac4mac |
A friend of mine gave me a CRG brake lever. It immediately found its way onto Loretta's bars. Is that bad? Nobody got my money?  | ||
| Dannybuell |
Zac4mac - If that would only happen with everything! | ||
| Buellrain |
}I'm am thinking of picking up a set of ASV and a set of Hong Kong levers to compare The ASV have a better design with the unbreakable lever, but if you were to compare the Pazzo with the HONG KONG ones you will see they are almost identical. In the grand scheme of things, levers or car parts made over there are the least of your worries.. The fact is China's weapons development has come on leaps and bounds over the last decade, with laser guided technology, you may of seen that yesterday was the first test flight of their new stealth fighter!! It might not yet be up to the standards of the US kit but they will get there in the end, they will cost a lot less and sell them to anyone!!! Another interesting bit of news I heard this morning was that a new low cost carrier in India has just signed an MOU for an order of 180 new generation Airbus A320's.. 180!!! thats almost inconceivable, imagen if that had been a Boeing order, it sure would of created alot of jobs for a long time and secured the future for the company. | ||
| Dannybuell |
China now has cruise type aircraft carrier killer long range missiles too. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/6/ins ide-the-ring-488593726/ In the history of mankind, there has been no greater transfer of technology than what has happened with America and China in the last 20 years. If the China flooded the markets with dollars, swept down on Taiwan, and stopped trading with America at the same time we would be very screwed. Our dollar would be devalued, our secondary source of supply for auto parts would be gone and all those Chinese auto parts to fix water pumps, fuel pumps, wheel bearings, axles, alternators,... back-ordered with unknown delivery, gone. There isn't enough domestic industry left to take up the slack. Not to mention all of the American assets in China... True China would be hurt but not mortally. China still sells to europe and the rest of the world. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
it's the sell them to anyone that the entire world needs to be worried about part. and yeah an order of 180 units from boeing to any company that actually had/has the $$ to buy would most def secure the future for them for a good long while | ||
| Blake |
Danny, >>> Go buy an auto part, it is made in China or Taiwan. Try to stay focused. My question which you dodged was in response to your claim that America doesn't have domestic industries. Again, what are you talking about? Do you actually believe what you are saying? Is auto parts the only industry you imagine exists in America? Do the factories assembling automobiles and other vehicles not count as industry? Your answer comes across as very glib, trollish, and inconsiderate. You ignored a ream of factual data that refutes your ignorant statement. You can do better, if you are a man of integrity. By "define" wrt the military industrial complex, I mean in tangible real world terms, which corporations, which sites, what people? And what is your preferred alternative? Are you contending that we should not have the world's most dominant military and invest in its continued superiority? What? Explain yourself beyond the catch phrase please. >>> Stretch the boundaries of civility long enough and the weakest link will break (causing assassinations and murders). A non-answer. Typical blame everything but the perpetrator nonsense that has led to the very situation you criticize. A greater emphasis upon accountability and responsibility are what prevent irresponsible and criminal behavior. What we have instead is a culture of victim-hood and entitlement where irresponsible behavior is actually subsidized by our government. This just leads to even more irresponsible and criminal behavior. >>> OMG. >>> OMG. Good to see you are a man of faith calling on our creator to help you find truth. >>> Funny how the conservatives/facists/religious right --not calling you a con, just making a statement in general-- They want big brother to help the monied interests/wall street Uh, no. Try to pay attention. Note the tea party protests? Guess not. >>> It doesn't take an education to compete with the 3rd world. No idea what you are trying to communicate. I cannot disagree more strongly. Even in the 3rd world their are smart folks looking to move up. >>> Do you know what a red herring is? It's a damn strange way of looking at the world, pull the rug out from American labor and then (tell?) them to get smarter. LOL. They and their greedy big union bosses pulled the rug out from under them in some cases. The wages and benefits became outrageous. I tell them to stop depending upon corrupt big union thugs to represent them and dictate their professional lives for them, to look out for themselves like everyone else does. | ||
| Jules |
Sooo.. (and wow this thread is getting heated)... I'm gonna buy another set of those chinese levers for my other bike (a ZX9R) but I guess that's OK as the bike is Japanse Noo - I don't really wwant an answer I was just trying to lighten the mood a bit  I LOVE the passion you guys have over national pride and TBH you're all arguing for the same thing, just approaching from different perspectives. Ultimately everyone should wantt heir country to produce the best quality products at a reasonable price, that in theory ought to make everyone happy.... which is really the best you can hope for... |
