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     Skiaddict |
Sorry if this is a re-post. Go here to send a letter to your representatives in congress urging them to stop the CPSC ban on ATV and dirtbike sales to kids 12 and under. http://www.mic.org/stoptheban.cfm | ||
| Froggy |
Or they could remove the lead content in those products. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
+1 Froggy. Theres no need for a ban, just get the friggin lead out. If China can't do that then India can take over, lead free! My boys gonna have a dirtbike or ATV and I don't want him near any lead. | ||
| Strokizator |
Or reason could take over. Why is it that common sense isn't all that common? | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Do they make lead free batteries?? | ||
| 4cammer |
What exactly on those little bikes have lead as a component? The paint? Are kids chewing on motorcycles and ATV's? | ||
| Loki |
and to think we(in one way or another) are the fools that elected the fools that wrote and signed this. Just another knee jerk legislative act to save us from ourselves and the rest of the world. That and it was written to not specifically single out China. So as to not get into another tariff war. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
No. They are chewing on the batteries. joke I need to study this a bit. The problem can't be kids or anyone else being poisoned by batteries. It can't be dead batteries in landfills either. They are recycled. I need more info. brb | ||
| Limitedx1 |
panhead......your right, i havent figured it out either, but somebody is either not making enough money from sales (politicians) or somebody else ISNT getting a chunk of that pie | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
What exactly on those little bikes have lead as a component? From what I understand, EVERY component on the bikes must go through expensive testing to find out. | ||
| Hughlysses |
As I understand it, the law prohibits lead ANYWHERE in the item. No lead-acid battery, no lead in the engine bearings, no lead wheel weights, etc. I can understand outlawing lead-based paint, but this is ridiculous. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
Appears to be a blanket policy banning anything with lead in it targetted towards kids. Maybe a good thing. The blanket needs taylored to remove quads and dirt bikes. Kids just don't ever eat them. Maybe a dry kiss if it's an especially nice quad (but never on the inside of a battery). I wish the folks that write these assanine laws would spend more time trying to figure out the ramifications including how to enforce them and stop writing new ones until they get it figured out. Haven't we had anti lead laws for kids products for like 50 years? | ||
| Rainman |
It's not that the bikes have lead, it's that they are likely to contain lead and cannot be sold until such time as the Consumer Safety Protection Commission can review them and set standards. If the lead content is sufficiently internal, there is no problem. That's how bicycles got their temporary exception to the law, but ATVs and MCs are more complicated and are not exempt. It's still silly, but no one asked me. The world would be a better place if I had more control! | ||
| Panhead_dan |
One of these days someone will use one of these laws that was enacted a long time ago without much aparent thought to sue the piss out of a mega $ corp. One abstract example that comes to mind is the law from back in the 70's about max profits on gasoline...... I'll bet that law still exists.  | ||
| Indybuell |
Its not just a problem with getting the lead out. If you actually read the law, the ability to get all of your products checked and approved is incredibly complicated and convoluted. Making it almost impossible to comply. I have no problem with getting lead out of children's products, I have 4 small children of my own, but this law in its current form does nothing to safeguard the children. Toys from China, etc, will still show up with lead. Who pays the price? Us. | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
More like a blanket policy for anything for children. I read even wooden toys with no paint have to be tested. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Maybe we can stop buying things from Commie Pinko nations, how about India, or Canada or anywhere but China/North korea. Seems like an effort to overthrow us capitalist devils, sending us lead tainted junk. How hard is it to not make something with 1 friggin substance for God's sake. | ||
| Swordsman |
" Go here to send a letter to your representatives in congress urging them to stop the CPSC ban on ATV and dirtbike sales to kids 12 and under." Wow, kids nowadays must be getting some hellacious allowances!  ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on February 24, 2009) | ||
| Slaughter |
Good discussion on our WSMC racing BBS. Kevin Jump – GM of Advanced Kawasaki (a WSMC racer and sponsor) It's not only Honda, but anybody that sells, or even owns a "kid's" bike. As of 2/10/09, you won't be able to buy or sell any of them. From what I understand, parts for 'em as well. While I appreciate your attempt at humor, this could be the final straw that sinks many small businesses, and puts their employees out of work. Not really something to find any humor in. From another racer on the board: So, you mean you're not going to be cutting any deals to try to move any of these bikes? Sorry about your luck then.......... Kevin continues: Did I say that? I've had 'em on sale for anywhere from $400-$600 under invoice. You think I'm making money on them at that price? To the contrary, I'm loosing anywhere from $200-$600 a unit. Nobody in the industry finds this funny After Tuesday, we won't be able to sell any of them, nor any parts for them. You happen to know what the size of the market segment these bikes/quads represent? I'm willing to bet the guy who's kid races his KX65 every weekend doesn't find any of this funny. He no longer is gonna be able to get any parts for it. The guy who's kid races a KTM 50, and is gonna move up to a 65 this year doesn't find it funny either. I'm also willing to bet NOBODY who owns one of these bikes finds any humor in it, as they're stuck with them. If their kid still rides it, they're still screwed. What are they gonna do if something breaks on it? Even if their bike has a warranty on it. No parts=no repair. You think we're the only ones? NOBODY can sell these bike right now. Not just us. If you own a CRF 50, YOU OWN IT. You won't be able to sell it. Well... I should say the guy you sell it to won't be able to register it. If he happens to get pissed because he can't get a OHV (green/red) sticker, and answers the DMV's question of who sold it to him, then you'll be in trouble. I don't think he's breaking the law by buying it (although they won't register it), but you'd be by selling it. As far as bringing in parts from Canada, you don't think ANYBODY has thought of that one yet? If the parts are illegal to sell here, they're illegal to sell here. Doesn't matter if you're trying to sell it on US soil, or trying to ship it to US soil. I can't tell you that Customs is gonna have the sniffing dogs primed and ready, but the shipper can be held liable no matter where they are. The Canadians have been made aware of this, and the reputable ones (or the ones that are law-abiding) aren't gonna be selling any of these parts to the US. Of course someone somewhere is, but hopefully the situation is resolved soon so the world-wide black market doesn't switch from Opium to KX 65 clutch baskets. Speaking of this, even if some dude in Indonesia starts smuggling in these highly dangerous, mind and body corrupting parts, I wonder how much he's gonna sell 'em for? He knows he's taking a risk, and he knows what the availability of these parts are. A $20 KLX 110 piston going for $800? Had a guy try to drop off a KFX 50 for an FDM on his carb today... Actually didn't believe me, and got pissed off and left. | ||
| Jaimec |
Lead is used in the batteries and in the electronic connections. I suspect if the child is old enough to ride one, they're smart enough to know they're vehicles and NOT FOOD! If they aren't... well... Remember Darwin! | ||
| Cruisin |
It's more complicated than just lead in batteries. The alloys used to make the engines contain some lead. It is unknown how much lead, but it's never been an issue since it's part of an alloy and most kids don't lick their engines (if they do, they have other issues). It would be easy enough to indicate how much lead a standard battery has. It's not so easy for the alloy used in the engines. The problem is significant testing needs to be done for strength and longevity of these allows to see if removal of the lead has any negative impact. An exemption is really the only way to get things going again quickly, until tests can be performed and parts changed. I'm pretty upset about this since my daughter just started on her PW50 last year, and will be riding it this summer. | ||
| Slaughter |
I just had a thought - leaded glass - HIGH DOLLAR Crystal glass - I gotta go do some google-investigations... | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Seems like precious little snowflake syndrome. If theres no chance of the kids coming into contact with the lead, whats the BFD? I'm all for a ban of dangerous lead components, but if the kids ain't gonna even touch the lead then I don't see why theres a ban. Kids need to be on go-carts anyways, with huge mud tires like I had as a kid. | ||
| Slaughter |
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| Gunut75 |
Whats next? Am I gonna have to send all of my raw material from my shop for testing? OH, just the stuff we get from China........  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Stop the ban? Too late. Law is passed. Deal is done. The only thing to be done now is to complain to your congressmen and demand logical enforcement of the law. | ||
| Microchop |
This has NOTHING to do with lead. They just lumped ATVs in there as a convenient way to ban them. The nanny state is stopping our kids from riding under the guise of lead safety. | ||
| Froggy |
Right, then how come things that don't contain metal are illegal then? Clothing, unpainted wooden toys, diapers, ect. The nanny state must of thought it was convenient to ban all that too. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
This has NOTHING to do with lead. They just lumped ATVs in there as a convenient way to ban them. The nanny state is stopping our kids from riding under the guise of lead safety. Actually, ATVs were never the intended target of this legislation. The target was China. Unfortunately, the law is so poorly written that ANY product expected to be utilized by a child 12 and under is now under scrutiny of this law. This includes books. What is hilarious is that it also covers child firearms (training rifles, shot guns, etc.). There is NO WAY to make these lead free. | ||
| Swordsman |
If the problem is stemming from the inability to regulate quality control practices in other countries, why not just make the parts here? Seems like a simple solution.....? ~SM |
