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     Oldog |
The sad truth is that the left seems to only be concerned about the rights of NON-CITIZENS. Wire tap a foreign national from a hostile nation, we are all going to hell in a hand basket. Imprison a murderous enemy combatant, they must have due process. Why should they, The citizens are not afforded "Due process" If we had watched Mohamad Atta closer perhaps 3,000 americans would be alive and two buildings would be standing  rant off | ||
| Cruisin |
Look at the facts...places with strict gun control have more crime. Places that have less gun control have less crime (look at Vermont: anybody can carry concealed - no permit necessary). Would you want to rob somebody knowing that anybody could carry? The basics come down to the fact that we have the right to bear arms. I usually use mine for target shooting. The wife uses her shotgun for clay. Chances are if somebody breaks in my house, I doubt I'd beat my wife to the stairs, and she's a better shot than I am... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Up is down. Black is white. Right is wrong. Completely corrupted thought patterns. | ||
| Oldog |
Up is down. Black is white. Right is wrong. it does seem that way You got the lock bar sorted? } | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'm trying to decide if I want to make one or borrow one. | ||
| Oldog |
I have one ( JIM'S ), I need to get the clutch tool some day, Pm me your addy I'll put it in the mail to you. You ever figure our WHY the clutch went south ( I am remembering the spooge in the housing last october ) | ||
| Nukeblue |
i'd like to know where the nra is on this one. i've gotten two mags since this proposal came out & no mention of it. last i heard it didn't have sponsorship yet. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I think the clutch went south due to some off pavement activities. I think the first gear is simply too tall to be effective creeping. I don't think the "spooge" was the culprit. I change the primary fluid every 2500 miles like the oil, so even a lot of spooge wouldn't spend much time near the clutch. I think the clutch was not adjusted properly and maybe drug a little bit. Don't know. It's just dying. | ||
| Oldog |
While you are changing the primary drive consider the crank shaft seal, you need a seal driver as well,[ for the older bikes ] ( I borrowed that and the spring compressor ) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'm not changing the primary drive, but Barker is. We are having a "Primary Party".  | ||
| Old_man |
I believe that firearm rules and regulations are necessary, for the safety of our society. I disagree with laws that would stop people from owning firearms. Remember, only law-abiding citizens obey laws. I do think it silly thinking that having a gun will protect you from the government. As if the Jews in Germany would have been safe if they were armed. The rest of Europe was armed, they weren't safe. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I do think it silly thinking that having a gun will protect you from the government. Someone needs to study a little more history. | ||
| Hootowl |
Don't forget the red loctite on the crack nut | ||
| Old_man |
Oh, I know history. It seems to me that some don't know enough history. Some think that, if the Jews all were armed they would have been able to resist the Nazis. They would have died sooner! They probably would have taken some Nazis with them, which would have been good.- but, in the end, would have not have changed anything. | ||
| Old_man |
Oh! - And remember the Civil War. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Oh, I know history. Really?  | ||
| Old_man |
Yes, Really!! | ||
| B00stzx3 |
In places with more "liberal" (kinda an oxymoron in this case huh) gun laws, personal crime (muggings, robberies) goes down while property crime (thefts, smash and grabs) goes up. For the sake of human life, property crime is much better. Ive you don't know if someones packing, then your more likeley to break into their car than mug them. Of course in places with more gun control, like here in Maryland, not all the bad guys are carrying guns. Thats why my Kershaws always in my pocket ready to flip open if they got anything less than a gun, or I can't grab the gun. I got mugged in Baltimore by a group of young guys, none of which had weapons, they were just going to beat me up. Put the Kershaw right up to one of their faces and they all backed down pretty quick. But I would have rather had a heater. Gun control kinda sucks. Criminals will carry guns nomatter what and law abiding citizens can't unless they're not afraid of arrest. But then again, judging by how the idiots around here get so much road rage, maybe its a good thing they're not packing! | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Someone needs to study a little more history. Agreed. The "night of the long knives" comes to mind. Maybe the outcome would have been the same maybe not, but at least they would have had an opportunity to defend themselves instead of being led like sheep to the literal slaughter. I do think it silly thinking that having a gun will protect you from the government. You're right Oldman, A gun will not protect A person from the government. However a well armed population should be a deterrent to a potential overreaching government. How many millions of potentially armed patriotic law abiding people are in the US now? I disagree with laws that would stop people from owning firearms. I agree. After reading this bill on the house website the only conclusion I can reach is that this is definitely a step toward moving individual gun ownership from a right to a privalege. No it doesn't go that far but it certainly establishes the framework for future expansion. I doubt this would pass constitutional muster in the current SC but I have I've been suprised before and would prefer that it never got that far. Remember, only law-abiding citizens obey laws. I still believe that the vast majority of Americans fit into this category. It's a shame that the majority choose not to exercise their right to be armed and thus place themselves in the minority to the thugs and scum. It would seem most are too worried about watching dancing with the stars then to think about actually protecting themselves. "Why should I get a gun and practice and plan to defend my family?? Isn't that somebody else's job?? BTW who won Idle last night?" Not trying to bust your chops or anything Oldman, I'm just coming to the discussion late and thought I'd throw out my 2cents. Your post was laid out in a manner that was easy to respond to in logical manner. Keep the shiny side up! | ||
| Old_man |
The Revolutionary War was a war, in effect, between two countries. Do you truly believe that you and the band you could assemble could make a dent in the forces of the Federal government. SILLY! YES!! | ||
| Slowride |
Old_Man your are right in your theory... If any of us were to be subjected to an army like we have today in America the best any of us could do by ourselves would be the same as what history showed us in WWII. Partisans, Resistance call it what you will, they reeked havoc on the prevailing army with improvised munitions and small arms. They never overthrew or even drove them out of a city. But a country of civilians armed can resist its government. We can look modern day at Pakistan where armed civilians siding with Taliban have resisted and changed the government. History is chalked full of this type of resistance. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
But then again, judging by how the idiots around here get so much road rage, maybe its a good thing they're not packing! You have a point BOO. But I think in that case the consequences of misusing a firearm should be fking astronomically high. I mean like public gang-rape/execution of the guy who ABUSES his RIGHT to go armed. (given proper due process of course  ) | ||
| P_squared |
The Revolutionary War was a war, in effect, between two countries. And here I thought it started out as a war between a country & a colony of that country? You know, REVOLTING against Britain? Do you truly believe that you and the band you could assemble could make a dent in the forces of the Federal government. You don't want me to answer that question honestly, because my 'band' is pretty well trained, courtesy of the government. Plain & simple, the RIGHT to keep & possess firearms serves as a deterrent of the Government for overreaching. Take away the deterrent, what's to prevent overreaching? Some folks believe the RIGHT is no longer needed. Some folks believe it has never been needed more. I tend to not concern myself with those 2 views, and just tend to stick with the fact that it is a RIGHT, and not to be infringed. Seems simple enough to me.  | ||
| Old_man |
I'm of Irish descent, I know fully the history of Ireland. If you know it, then you know I am aware of the power of a people to resist tyranny. Tyranny from an outside force. We run our government, ourselves. It is our government. My way to effect change is at the BALLOT box. I would never take up arms against our government. (Message edited by old_man on March 05, 2009) | ||
| Slowride |
Glad to know your position. I would take up arms against our government. Now you know mine. So lets work with known known’s, God I love America. No one got killed or wounded or mamed for their idology. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Do you truly believe that you and the band you could assemble could make a dent in the forces of the Federal government. As a proud 16yr veteran of those same federal forces I can confidently say yes. " I _____________ do solemnly swear to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic...." I believe the government would have to go a long way to convince most soldiers that their fellow citizens were the enemy. I can see most soldiers sitting that one out. | ||
| P_squared |
I would never take up arms against our government. And I hope I never have to either. But make no mistake, I and others will if it ever becomes required. I don't personally think we're close to that as of yet, and God willing, never will be. But again, the point of the issue is that it is a RIGHT. When that RIGHT becomes infringed, do you expect folks to happily & merrily accept it? I don't. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
I would never take up arms against our government. Never? Really? What if your government decided that the rights of Irish descended citizens had been revoked? No voting. No free speech. No right to assemble. No protection from search. No right to bear arms. You would take up arms then? How many rights would you be willing to surrender before you stood up. Honestly, I'm curious. I'm not trying to bait you or slam on you. This is a fast moving thread and it's hard to keep up. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
And I hope I never have to either. But make no mistake, I and others will if it ever becomes required. I don't personally think we're close to that as of yet, and God willing, never will be. Amen brother. | ||
| Old_man |
Again, I must state. I OPPOSE ANY LAW THAT PREVENTS THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS... But to those who think it necessary to control our government. - I think it silly. |
