| Author | Message | ||
     Essjay |
So I went by my most local Buell dealer where the xb12r is ONLY $14999 out the door. Or for just a few $'s more there is this gem- http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=6704&item =2442620190 I can't afford either of them but given the choice, which one would you buy? Shane | ||
| Bads1 |
I see Hal's is still trying to sell that thing Huh!!!!! | ||
| Mikej |
The opening bid is not the actual sale price, the reserve is unstated but used to be several thousand above the opening bid price. I've wanted #8of9 ever since I saw it sitting there with flat tires strapped to an angled display ramp in their old Cleveland avenue store. I think they came down to around $18,000 asking price for it once a year or three ago. Not sure what the out-the-door price would be, and never tried to find out what if any additional paperwork or extra documentation comes with it. If I owned it I'd ride it, but would have to replace the tires and freshen up most of the seals on it most likely. Still less than 100 miles on it if I remember right. Bads, I don't think they're trying all that hard to sell it. If they really wanted it sold it'd be gone by now. Shoot, two auction listings ago not even some of the internal sales people knew it was listed on E-Bay. I'd like to have it, but can't come near to affording it. Shane, You can probably do a little better on that price for the XB as well. | ||
| Glitch |
The RR, no question in my mind. | ||
| Bads1 |
Hey I know where you could get the RR1000 prototype if someone has big bucks | ||
| Spiderman |
I don't think John would give her up. | ||
| Bads1 |
Yes he will and yes he is if somebody will cough up the right amount of money. | ||
| Mikej |
Are you talking around $25K? | ||
| Bads1 |
times 2 to what I understand.The question is......is it worth it.I think Glitch photo shopped it on a Cycle World magazine cover on another thread on the Quick Board here. | ||
| Mikej |
There's an '87 RR1000 in Minnetonka listed on TraderOnline.com with an asking price of $22,000. One-off and prototype bikes attract a certain kind of collector. Perhaps he ought to see if Leno is interested in it. | ||
| Bads1 |
I know that he talked HD to see if they wanted it but I guess not. | ||
| Bads1 |
How would you get in touch with Leno.Can't just let your fingers do the walk'n??? | ||
| Mikej |
Leno is approachable through the venerable 6 degree of separation concept, but with the folks here on the site it's more like 1 to 3 degrees. Right now I can think of 2°, or 3 depending on how you count the intermediaries. Let's see, me = 0, someone I know and have talked to on a fairly regular basis = 1, rides with someone in the industry who has been on the show several times = 2, Leno = 3? I forget how that works. $50grand is probably a bit steep though depending on what shape it's in currently and what sorts of records and documentation comes with it such as build history, mod/config test sheets and collected data, design record books, whatnot. The more goodies it comes with the closer to the price he'll get. I don't recall the details on it though, but I just threw out the Leno name as one example, there are other collectors out there as well. | ||
| Jim_witt |
Shane wrote: So I went by my most local Buell dealer where the xb12r is ONLY $14999 out the door. Or for just a few $'s more there is this gem There's no way I'd pay that much for the XB, totally out of line from my perspective and a slap in the face to me. As for the RR, sweet bike but not something you'd ride everyday, trust me I know. Impossible to find most parts, lots a vibration that inturn rubs body parts, expensive to insure to full value (or what you value it) but is a real conversation getter. -JW:>  | ||
| Anonymous |
I'm thinking he got the floor stock buy it today out the door price for motivated buyers from a non-Buell saavy salesperson. Posted anon because I still shop there once in a while. Thank you. | ||
| Dynarider |
Johns RR prototype doesnt even run. Hasnt ran in years. No way is it worth 50K. Leno is very approachable. Rides to the Rock store almost every weekend. Fellow on another website has hung out & bs'ed with him quite a bit. Pictures to prove it as well. | ||
| Bads1 |
Dyna how do you know it doesn't run????John said it will run,he just chooses not to run.Infact he was going to pull it out for the 20th but he was to busy doing a complete rebuild on Janis so he had his bike for the event. | ||
| Essjay |
Well anon I guess you know wherof I speak. Yes that was the tagged price, right in line with all the other inflated prices on the Road Queens and Fat Toys alongside. There is no such thing as an msrp dealer in Washington State. Even bigger ripoffs await the unwary buyer in Olympia where prices run 2 to 5 grand over list. I am quite happy with my ST3 and have almost fixed all the little things like new rings and new exhaust and miscellaneous bs. Still lookng for a good seat, the corbin is close but sits too far back. Anyway, if I had 18 big ones I would buy the RR, you will be able to buy the XB12 for a few years I would imagine. Shane | ||
| Dynarider |
Dana, John himself told me last year when he had the bike out for the homecoming that the bike doesnt run & hasnt in about 10yrs. it probably would with a bit of work done to it & just a few months ago when I ran into him he still hadnt even started working on it. | ||
| Daves |
Shane, Buy the 12, but not from the dealer that wants 14999 for it. Come/call to Iowa and I'll put you on one. I can have it shipped to your door for about 450-500.00 in shipping costs. Ride to the edge! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) | ||
| Prof_stack |
Essjay - haven't you heard that Downtown Harley of Seattle is selling all Harleys/Buells at no more than MSRP through the end of December? Salesmanship? Low season promotion? I've never heard of Buells selling for more than MSRP in western WA state. | ||
| Essjay |
Thanks for the offer Dave. But I have to say that after sitting on a XB I just can't see myself buying one. Riding all crouched up like that is fine for the twisties but for all the long straight stretches in between it is not a comfortable riding position for me. I like to be able to sit up and enjoy the scenery as well as the ride. The S3T comes close to being that for me. (I wish that development had continued on that sport touring concept, it had the possibility of becoming a world class touring machine.) So I will keep the bike I have until it is paid for and as long as I can get parts at a reasonable price and when I can no longer easily get parts for the frame and body I will pull the engine and build it into a custom. I have never owned a new bike in all my decades of riding so I don't have that lust for the latest and greatest. I just want a comfortable sporty ride I can easily maintain. Shane | ||
| Lake_bueller |
Hypothetically speaking....I'd take the RR1200 any day over the XB12. But I also have two other Buells for my everyday riding. The RR would be ridden but mostly a trailer queen. | ||
| Essjay |
You are right professor, I hadn't heard that. And I see, looking at their website, that they are listing the Buells at msrp. I would be curious to see what the dealer prep and transport fees are on top of that. Shane | ||
| Bads1 |
Dyna I know he didn't tell you it doesn't run.Its that he won't run it for what ever reason.But at one of are last meeting we talked about it and he said it would be a matter of going through everything and then there shouldn't be any problems. | ||
| Dynarider |
Dana..he point blank told me the bike doesnt run. he hasnt even attempted to start it. He himself said its going to take some work to get it fired up. I see the man all the time around town & at events & we talk quite a bit. | ||
| Bads1 |
Ok Dyna!!!!! | ||
| Grndskpr |
Why would you run a bike that sits in your living room????Yes that where Jonny keeps it It ran when he bought it, but since it is a prototype, he has not run it, and is scared to run it and find something broken, on the first start up, i thought he was originally looking for a 100k, but would settle for something around 50, i doubt he would take much less but i am sure the right person with 40 came along, we talk for a long time about it, not to long ago, i was picking his brain about his rss, in reality your both right to one degree or another later Roger | ||
| Bomber |
reminds me of an antique firearms show I went to a couple of years ago . . . . there was a first year, low serial number winchester 93 there, factory engraving by their best guy, gold and silver inlay, burl stock . . . .the factory built it up for shows and worlds fairs and the like . . .. . it was on the blosk for something like 250K . . . .guy awlked up and asked, "is it accurate?" | ||
| Bads1 |
Thats exactly right Roger,thank you.That was almost what John told me at one of are meetings.If he started it he worry's of something happening.He also said it would most likely need some gaskets,intake etc.But nothing real major.There is some parts on that bike that differ from the production RR1000's that he knows if something happened they could not be replaced. | ||
| Davegess |
I sure hope that if John sells it it goes into the right hands. I suspect that $50000 is a bit high for Buell's taste. I would be surprised if the RW750 they bought was much more than half that and in many ways that is a more significant bike. (We could argue about that all day | ||
| Bads1 |
Nah won't argue that Dave.But at the sametime I would love either one. | ||
| Ray_maines |
I think EssJay & Prof Stack have made an important point that the rest of you guys are missing. Why is that dealer charging $15,000 for a Firebolt and why would anyone pay that price? The bike is MSRP’d at $11,000, for crying out loud. If you add $250 each for setup and freight, $1,000 for sales tax, and $200 for license tabs you are only up to $12,700 “out the door.” The other $2,300 is nothing more than a “Stupid Tax” the dealer collects from dim bulb customers that have more dollars than sense. | ||
| Bartimus |
The high price markup is understandable in the HD world. In Phoenix, It is typical to see a bike $3000 - $4000 above the Msrp, and THEN they tack on the extra stuff. I asked the salesman at Hacienda HD/Buell why the high markup, and he stated, "that's what the market will bear" Being in Snotsdale, a wealty suburb of Phoenix, they could pretty much ask anything for their bikes and get it. | ||
| Prof_stack |
Bartimus - does Hacieda HD/Buell sell their Buells for more than MSRP? The Harley prices are no brainers (for no-brainers? ![:]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) ) but are the Buells that much in demand? | ||
| Buckinfubba |
No crap ...how the hell did they get to that price. I sell them at $10995 plus tax and title that come to $11496.85...how did they even get to that price. hell I am still trying to figure out if I want to add on freight and setup to the price. I probably should , maybe I will , maybe I won't... | ||
| Ray_maines |
Bartimus: In the five years or so I've been hanging around this corner of Cyberspace I don't think we have all ever fully agreed whether or not a Buell is a Harley. The sales department of your local dealer is telling you they are, but what does the parts and service departments tell you when you try to buy an accessory or have your beautiful blue '95 S2 Thunderbolt worked on. Better yet, what would they give you for that good looking Buell on a trade-in? edited by ray_maines on November 15, 2003 | ||
| Grndskpr |
I suspect that $50000 is a bit high for Buell's taste. While Dave may be corect on this asertion, i would have to think that there is some extra value built in, it is the only Harley prototye(they are owned by Harley remember) that i know of that exists, i i belive this adds value, it was tested with other Harleys when it was introduced. while the RW750 maybe be more significant, it was not really part of the HD machine(different engine) this is more like thinking out loud, but i have seen what i consider less important bikes go for much higher prices, just wish Christys still ran the auction here, to bad that closed down later Roger |
