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Sshbsn
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...by J.D.Power and Associates. Toyota had apparently been first place last year. Article says Ford grabbed more individual awards than any other auto maker since 1998, when it tied for first place. Saw this on Yahoo news.

Nice job by an American corporation!
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Cixyx_pilot
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Toyota recalled more cars than they built last year. Some twice for the same problem.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fantastic!
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Darkducati
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Toyota actually had more recalls last year than Ford and GM combined! Amazing, I never saw that mentioned on the nightly news.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Toyota actually had more recalls last year than Ford and GM combined! Amazing, I never saw that mentioned on the nightly news.

I wonder how many vehicles were sold out of those three companies.
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Sshbsn
Posted on Wednesday, June 06, 2007 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I didn't want to bash Toyota, just wanted to acknowledge the dedication and hard work that must have been given by many Ford employees to accomplish this. And I imagine Toyota is learning just how hard it is to be on top, and how painful "growing pains" can be.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've never been much impressed with initial quality ratigs. I'm more impressed by quality ratings at 200,000 miles. Just my $0.02
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Court
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 05:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought a new Ford F-150 recently and and have zero problems.

Interesting, on the F-150 forum, to read about folks who've had theirs bought back by the factory. There are a few.

Overall, particularlry for the price, it was a killer deal . . excellent value.
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Ryker77
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 09:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ford. The company that brought you the exploding gas tanks (pinto) and the coverup of bad tires on the Explorers...

That Ford?

JK
Inital Quality from JD power only covers what,, 90 days?

Hell I would hope that 20+k would get me at least 90 trouble free days of ownership.
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Sshbsn
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Was anybody interested in giving a simple pat on the back and a "Well done!" to some of Ford's employees for what they've accomplished?
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Go Ford!
Whoooo Hoooooo

Yep, I'm a Ford guy!
191,000 miles on the good ole Expedition and still runs like a top!
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Bjack
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great job Ford! The F150s are built here in Missouri at the Claycomo Assembly Plant. Last F150 I had (1988) went to 198,000 miles. Current F150 (1998) has 255,000 miles and still going strong.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm on a 2006 F-150 , which replaced a 1997 F-250, which lived with a Cobra GT and a series of 3 SHO's.

I've had nothing but a great experience.

I have a soft spot since the first big powerline I build was the 161,000 volt line feeding the Claycomo Ford plant. . . I gave up a lot of West Coast truck mirrors to the Chouteau Bridge for that project.

We bought a new 2006 Mercedes-Benz the same week I bought the 2006 Ford and the Ford has been much more reliable than the Mercedes which cost several times more.


quote:

The bridge was very narrow, and in the latter years was often closed accidents, and due to low weight issues, when it was reduced to 3 tons, it was closed permanently, and removed by implosion in 2001. It was the oldest bridge on the river when it was demolished.





Bridge
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

all this talk of ford and yet the picture on this last post is of the GREATEST truck on earth a mid 90's chevy

(Message edited by firebolt020283 on June 07, 2007)
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Sshbsn
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I have to say that my mid-90s GMC has gone 198,000 hard construction miles, and is still going.
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Firebolt020283
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea my 99 tahoe is is sitting at 110,000 and she runs like a champ. but it is nice to see ford taking something from toyota since they went and robbed gm of being the number one spot (sales or profit im not sure which one exactly)

(Message edited by firebolt020283 on June 07, 2007)
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Yea my 99 tahoe is is sitting at 110,000 and she runs like a champ. but it is nice to see ford taking something from toyota since they went and robbed gm of being the number one spot (sales or profit im not sure which one exactly)



Toyota recently surpassed GM in quarterly sales, but Toyota has always been more profitable because of the cheaper labor and unfair trade practices.

(Message edited by froggy on June 07, 2007)
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Electraglider_1997
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Prius has been problem free for 45,000 miles and it has had maybe 3 recalls that they take care of without hassle (as they should). None of the recalls ever was a problem with our Prius. I also own a Chrysler minivan. Never again. POS but comfortable. Waiting for a plug-in Prius to come out and will be all over that. I really wish they'd come out with a natural gas version Prius and then I'd buy the home gas compressor and not have to deal with the gas stations.

(Message edited by electraglider_1997 on June 07, 2007)
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New12r
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Initial quality is a joke........
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Saintly
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Initial quality is a joke........

Amen
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great Job Ford !!!

wait till you hear about all the camshafts that are snapping in the new Toyota tundras...

my 92 ranger had 253,000 when i sold it and never had a problem out of it...

a friend of mine in sales, has a 2001 Ford Focus that has over 400,000 miles on it and still going strong.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Initial quality is a joke........

Tell us the joke. I'm eager to see why folks spend tens of millions to capture, compile, research and report it.
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

how's this for initial quality...

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/ 20070531/AUTO01/705310379/1148
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

engine failure...not a miss, or a hesitation, or overheating, etc....a good, old fashioned KABOOM as you drive down the road

OH WHAT A FEELING ! TOYOTA

"Toyota...from the people who brought us Pearl Harbor" (stole that quote from a fan's sign at the Bristol Nascar race)
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Michael Waltrip sure hasn't had much initial quality...haha
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New12r
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm eager to see why folks spend tens of millions to capture, compile, research and report it.

So my Xbox 360 was great, at first but then it died, just out of warranty, 90 days. So sure its initial quality was great, but what about now???

My Altima was great, at first, now it thumps, ac leaks, sunroof rattles, radio loses the treble on fm. It's an 05 that I paid a pretty penny for.

I bought a pair of jeans, at first they were great! Now not 10 washes later they are unravling.

How many examples do you need. I dont care how good it looks on the showroom floor, I want it to last!
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Xbrad9r
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i agree with that also Charlie...but initial quality is huge in the car business. showing that the factory did its job properly and the fit and finish is where it should be...long term results will match the initial quality, wait and see...

oh, and with Toyota's initial quality from a few years ago, ask the 3.5 million Camry owners suffering from oil sludge problems how they feel today.
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

J. d. Powers is a JOKE I drive all makes and models for 4 dealer ships in my area, If I were to have to rank the big 4 I would have to rank this way ,(I am only talking about trucks)
1. Toyota
2. Dodge
3. Chevy
4. Ford
just my nickles worth
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I didnt know chevy made trucks? I thought they just made pickups?

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Pregrid
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Um, to my knowledge recalls are voluntary, and one might say Toyota is taking care of it's customers by fixing flaws (and ALL cars and trucks have flaws) as they pop up.
Dave
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M2nc
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

all this talk of ford and yet the picture on this last post is of the GREATEST truck on earth a mid 90's chevy

My 94 Suburban has 174,000 miles. It replaced my 86 Suburban that had 189,000 miles on it when I sold it. My buddy has two Suburbans, his 93 had 243,000 miles last I saw. He bought an 05 new because he figured the 93 would give up sooner or later. He stills drives the 93 more than 05. He says he is saving the mileage on the 05.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:


Um, to my knowledge recalls are voluntary, and one might say Toyota is taking care of it's customers by fixing flaws (and ALL cars and trucks have flaws) as they pop up.
Dave



Really? How about the recall Toyota had on the Tundra that makes them less safe?

Toyota was making regular cab pickups with a switch that lets you disable the passenger airbag that way incase if you have a baby in a carseat. This is common, all the pickups have this, but the problem was, that if you have this switch, by law your passenger seat must be compatible with the LATCH child carseat an coring system. The Tundra lacked this feature. So Toyota had 2 choices, either spend some moolah and replace the passenger seats with LATCH friendly ones, or simply remove the switch, forcing the airbag to be always on. Well your wonderful Toyota was more concerned with their wallets than customer safety, so they chose the latter and issued a recall to remove the switches.

Just some food for thought.
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Tommy_black_shark
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Toyota
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ that reminds me, Mitsubishi made the planes that bombed pearl harbor
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm a satisfied owner of a 1994 Ford Exploder with over 200,000 miles. The thing runs as good if not better than new and burns no oil.
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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've had Toyota's from 4 runners to pick-ups to Tacoma's to Carola's and never and I mean never had problem's Most I put on about 60,000 before getting rid of them to turn my money. Only thing I did to any of them was Tires and brakes.
I have a new Dodge Durango now and I really like and the only reason I bought was I got Chrysler Employee discount and save just under 12 grand off the price so I couldn't pass it up. But it has to stay rattle free and treat me good or its gone and I'll be off to buy a Toyota Sequoia
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Phatkidwit1eye
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 01:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Engine failure kills a car's ability to run"


Ahahahahhaha! Really? I would have never thought that. Is that guy related to Yogi Berra by chance?

Oh yeah...Ford 92 F-150 175k on the clock and still kicking butt.
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Swordsman
Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Woohoo! If Ford's doing that well, the Japanese and Mexican assembly plants must be doing a bang-up job!

(Waiting for the )

No, seriously, glad to hear something's going in their favor for once. I DO wish all the American companies would get their crap together and do their OWN stuff, in their OWN country, though. I dunno about you, but driving American branded foreign cars does nothing for my sense of American brand loyalty. If it turns out to be a great car (and mine have), then I have Toyota, or Mazda, or Mitsubishi, or Daewoo to thank, not the American companies.

~SM


(Message edited by Swordsman on June 08, 2007)
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