| Author | Message | ||
     Pwnzor |
Jolly, thank you from the Anthony family. | ||
| Robissimo |
Re-education wouldn't be sufficient? | ||
| Pwnzor |
Re-education wouldn't be sufficient? It would have to be re-re-education. | ||
| Etennuly |
Well at least the Dems have something to do! They are keeping all of their lawyers booked up for at least the next four years! Employment +. "Clean up"....."Country ONE!" Having been around a while I have seen several new administrations come in and a good one generally does a little sweeping out of Washington. This is kind of cool watching it actually happen starting with a bulldozer. The size of the broom matters. | ||
| Reepicheep |
This is an interesting read about understanding Trump. It works best if you fill in some things I think it missed with some of the "persuasion filter" stuff Scott Adams has been presenting. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/0126/Ho w-Donald-Trump-fits-in-the-post-truth-world | ||
| Aesquire |
Hogwash, is your concern the temporary stopping of a flood of refugees from Obama's Wars because of the suffering of the real victims? That's completely understandable. Trump's action, as I understand it, is more a publicity stunt than any alleged racism. ( and muslim is Not a Race, but try telling that to leftist loons ) I know that sounds like it's a shallow, self serving thing, but wait... there's more. 1st. This was a campaign promise. Kept. 2nd. This is a message to the Russians & their allies & minions. Iran & Syria. The message? There's a new sheriff in town, and the rules have changed. 3rd. this is a message to the Press. They don't get it, and probably most never will, but what this says is "Here's a situation for you to lie about. And we're going to call you out on every one. By the time we're done people won't believe you if you say it's daytime." I'm sure there's a 4th-12th message/reason, not the least is we are going to DO SOMETHING about terrorism, and we're going to do so legally, but very different than the last guy. The actions will be a surprise, and not consistent. So it will actually work. ( as opposed to announcing all the rules ahead of time and setting the enemy up to slide through. It's seeming less paranoid by the day to think this was deliberate by the Barry regime ) I too feel for the folk caught in the middle. I understand why they are fleeing Barry's Wars. I don't understand why Barry started or amplified them. I have a guess, an opinion, that it was deliberate and malicious. Or deliberate and incompetent. Barry tried for years to claim the latter, since he didn't take intelligent briefings and claimed, multiple times, that he only learned about crimes or acts of war after they were reported on TV. Most arrogant incompetent man in the White House? Or Most arrogant treasonous man? Hard to tell from outside. But the trail of dead and the flood of refugees are the same. You can make a case that since it was the direct fault of the President of the United States that all these people are displaced, that we the American people must suffer the bad parts of taking hundreds or thousands of jihadi to our collective care, along with the thousands of legit refugees. If we must do so, I really wish we could settle them in Barry's neighborhood, and Chuck's, ( Schumer ) Elizabeth's, ( Warren ) Nancy's, ( Pelosi ) and Barbara's. ( Boxer ) but that's not going to happen, because each of those people are rich, have armed guards, and won't allow what they secretly consider the scum of the earth to live anywhere near them. | ||
| H0gwash |
I agree with the great majority of what you write, esp. the first 6 paragraphs. Eggs will be broken making an omelet so make that omelet a good one. | ||
| Fb1 |
This is an interesting read about understanding Trump. That article from CSM is a thinly-disguised hit piece on President Trump; you don't have to get more than three paragraphs in to see it. Kudos for how well they cloaked the hit, though. | ||
| Fb1 |
Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/30/st ephen-miller-discusses-roll-out-of-visa-suspension -and-executive-order/ "Cut to commercial! Cut to commercial!" | ||
| Fb1 |
I've been studying up on the Christian Science Monitor, including reading articles (and tweets) from Linda Feldmann...
...author of the article linked above, and Warren Richey, her husband, who is a "special projects" reporter for the Monitor. From this, I think I know which way they lean politically. Marshall Ingwerson has been editor of CSM for the past four years. In the video linked below, at 28:25, he states:
^ I find these comments.......fascinating. The link and article from CSM below... http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2017/0130/US-comman do-Al-Qaeda-advocate-s-young-daughter-among-casual ties-in-Trump-s-first-counterterror-op ...is from today, 01/30/2017. Note the obvious anti-Trump bias in the headline:
Heavy sigh. And the source for the claim of civilian casualties?
Seriously?!? And nowhere in the entire piece, and I mean NOWHERE - with the exception of the sensationalist headline - is there ANY other mention, much less a citation, of "American officials den[ying] any civilian casualties." Rather predictably, CSM closes their piece with this:
Bingo! So, what have I learned by taking the time to vet my news? That from now on I'll take anything I hear or read from the Christian Science Monitor re: politics in general, and President Trump specifically, with several large grains of salt. Your mileage, as always, may vary.  | ||
| Fb1 |
Source, more: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/30/pr esident-trump-enters-phase-ii-hire-american-wall-s treetgope-prepares-to-fight-back/ | ||
| Mnscrounger |
"You can make a case that since it was the direct fault of the President of the United States that all these people are displaced, that we the American people must suffer the bad parts of taking hundreds or thousands of jihadi to our collective care, along with the thousands of legit refugees." AESQUIRE: we had a fun exchange some time back about drug policy, how bout an approach to the refugee problem I'll call the "Lysistrata" policy. Why don't we offer to provide asylum to an appropriate number families who are "extremely vetted" but ONLY ACCEPT the women and children. We can't fix (for example) Syria's problems without the Syrians, and we've seen who moves into a vacuum ("bad hombres") So the men stay behind and option to stay in "safe zones" established by the UN,(stop snickering, I think I know what you're thinking about UN safe zones), or choose to train and fight to make their homeland safe for their families return. I think that fighting force would be worth our commitment to help. Humanitarian needs are addressed, a regional fighting force is raised, motivated, and eventually trained to face these evils. I also think while not impossible, it's less likely a jihadist would strike at a nation providing care for his wife and children. Lastly, when peace is finally restored and it is safe for the families to go home, after a experiencing fully emancipated rights here in the US, the refugee ladies likely won't go home without some assurances from the men they will get to keep their newly found freedom. Indirectly, we'll westernize the mid-east from within. They'll be sheep in no time. | ||
| Fb1 |
That Sessions isn't yet confirmed as Attorney General is an absolute travesty, and there are plenty of Republicans in Congress who should get their asses kicked for allowing (supporting!) this near-treasonous injustice. So, in the meantime, yet another 0bama-appointed AG uses her frikkin' DISCRETION (!!!) and defies a lawful Executive Order from the President (I imagine there are several lovely parting gifts for her so doing...). This is WAR, folks; I hope you're paying attention. | ||
| Ratbuell |
It's petulant children is what it is. "I'm going to take my ball and go home" is the attitude of the DNC, MSM, and the butt-hurt R members. I don't give any of them enough credit to understand what they're truly doing to the country. They're just pouting and I really believe they don't know (nor care) what their actions are doing to the rest of us. | ||
| Fb1 |
Fabulous! This is the appropriate response from our President:
Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/01/30/pr esident-trump-fires-acting-attorney-general-yates- replaces-with-dana-boente/ Bravo.  | ||
| Fb1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8ZrIjhr344 | ||
| Sifo |
It's petulant children is what it is. "I'm going to take my ball and go home" is the attitude of the DNC, MSM, and the butt-hurt R members. I don't give any of them enough credit to understand what they're truly doing to the country. They're just pouting and I really believe they don't know (nor care) what their actions are doing to the rest of us. I give them credit for knowing exactly what they are doing to the country. Remember when BO didn't get his way, and the federal govt. was shut down for a while? He told federal workers to "make it as painful as possible" for the people that he represents. That was a purposeful and willing act. Suddenly we have more than half of Congress that feel they didn't get their way. "Taking my ball and going home" is a childish response designed to hurt all involved, willfully, with malice. The next mid-term election will be an opportunity to purge more of these bad actors from our leadership. I only hope that the voters recognize what is being done to them and act accordingly. Sadly, the MSM is not on the side of the voting public. Many will never figure it out. | ||
| Crusty |
Trump's been in office for just two weeks, and he's already draining the swamp. I have to say that I'm impressed. | ||
| Aesquire |
ll just note that Disney aka ABC is now infamous for having their American workers train their illegally hired foreign replacements. Naturally they show a bias towards open immigration. Hey! What happened to the daily meeting between Obama's staff and the "press" to set the day's lie/mantra? Is George Stephanopoulos still getting paid by the Obama campaign? ( still in operation ) | ||
| Court |
Interesting that the former President left office having fulfilled none of his campaign promises. President Trump pretty well banged his out in the first week. Agree with him/them or not . . . the guy is refreshing in that he's the first person, in a long time, to do precisely what he said he would. No surprises. I am also thrilled that he and I share similar views on team work . . . if you don't support the team . . that's fine . . but get off. I was thrilled to see him fire Sally without so much as the blink of an eye. I'll consider it a milestone when he fires the 1,000th federal employee. Entertaining yesterday when a MSM person was asked about President Trump's first week activity and immediately went into the "he didn't win the popular vote" talking point . . . the reporter shut her down by simply responding . . . "neither did Bill Clinton in either of his 2 Presidential wins". I got a note from school in the middle of the night that, starting today, we have "mental health rooms" and counseling to help students and faculty deal with the stress of the current administration . I'd like to request a room for celebrating honest, transparency and effectiveness in government. By the way . . . I guess you all saw that Iran, in violation of both the recent agreements and the existing prior agreements, fired an ICBM yesterday. I have a feeling I know how President Trump might deal with this . . . . this is going to be fun to watch. I, for one, would love to see the bastards launch a missile and about 100 meters into it's flight have it hit by a missile intercept. Ya gotta love this stuff . . . . | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.infowars.com/flashback-anti-trump-dems- opposed-vietnamese-refugees/ | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.infowars.com/obama-bombed-5-of-7-countr ies-trump-banned-media-didnt-care/ Re: the Vietnam refugee crisis. The former sec State denies that the ten million plus murdered by the N. Vietnamese after the invasion existed. He lobbied for that ending. It was a Democrat congress that deliberately abandoned Vietnam to the invasion. ( after Nixon withdrew the troops ) An act of betrayal and shame not seen again until Obama abandoned Iraq to Iran and ISIS. | ||
| Hootowl |
Bill didn't win more than 50% of the vote, but he did have the highest percentage of any of the candidates. Perot split the R vote. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm done with identity politics from either side. I really don't care if a person or media outlet is "biased", because of course they are. I'm interested in things that enlighten, inform, or correct misconceptions I may have. Telling me the media and people are biased is like telling me water is wet. Not a big deal, but it's boring and a waste of time. Simple vitriol, and even disrespect, aimed at a person or group is tedious, unpleasant, and useless to me. It's also a waste of my time. I really don't care how anyone feels about anyone anymore, and am tired of being patronizingly lectured about "how I should feel". That was the part that the article got right... Post Truth cultures define right by how you feel, not by logic. Either side is a fool if they don't think their side is part of that problem. But that's just me. I'm bored of the drama and theater, and want adults back in charge. | ||
| Fb1 |
^ Not sure if that's directed at me personally. If so, my post "dissecting" the Christian Science Monitor was meant to inform, not lecture. Further, it was meant to inform ANYONE reading this thread, not just you. I also included a at the end, hoping to help convey the spirit in which my post was, well, posted. I spent probably the better part of an hour researching the CSM. I point out my guess of the two CSM journalists' political leanings because it, IMO, colors their reporting. This judgment is based on studying their reporting, and their tweets. I'm perfectly fine with someone identifying politically any which way they want, but it's helpful to know which way a journalist leans, to better decide if what the journalist is reporting is center-truth, or left-leaning truth, or right-leaning truth. After this I followed the food chain and studied-up on the editor (for the past four years) of CSM to see if I could determine their political leanings. I believe I did, and I posted some evidence. The piece you linked to originally shows definite anti-Trump bias. The piece I linked to does the same. Fine. I'm of the opinion that a person should train themselves to look for the bias in what they read and hear, regardless of which side of the aisle the bias comes from. I studied CSM last night, and I can see the bias. They're entitled to their opinion, or course, regardless of which way their opinion leans, but it behooves me to recognize the spin. I beat on Republicans in this thread, too, and did so, in a scathing fashion, just last night. The stuff I post up? I almost always include at least a snippet of the piece (often more), and a source link. I post a lot of stuff from the Conservative Treehouse. I've followed them for years now, and an comfortable that I'm being pointed in the right direction most of the time. Sundance does an admirable job of citing his/her conclusions, and I do much study on subjects I'm interested in. I don't always agree with SD's conclusions, but his/her opinions give me a starting point. One of the YUGE benefits of CTH is an active, viable and well-moderated comment universe; there's much to learn by reading the comments section on a particular thread (and, of course, as is always the case on the internet, there's a lot of chaff to trudge through). This isn't a commercial for CTH, nor a blanket condemnation of any other particular "news source" (including CSM); this is an appeal to ANYONE reading this screed to vet your news. I vetted my news last night, and drew my own conclusions. I'm sorry if you took it as personal; if you did, I apologize. Best, FB (Message edited by fb1 on January 31, 2017) | ||
| Reepicheep |
It was mainly me aimed at me. I'm just observing that I am just tired (and maybe a little scared) of the irrational hate on both sides. I have no problem with people being annoyed, lots to be annoyed about. But when people (or organizations) have completely lost the ability for rational thought as a result of emotion, and all they can do is say how awful they think an awful person is, it just makes me tired, sad, and a little worried. It makes problems unsolvable. I do think social conservatives are generally better about this than liberals. Social conservatives are more willing to be pragmatic about things. For example being OK with instant background checks for gun purchases. Theoretically, we ought to be outraged at it. Practically, meh, it could go wrong to do it, but it could go wrong not to do it, so so it but we will watch it carefully. I doubt I would see the same depth of pragmatism by the left around abortion. (Message edited by reepicheep on January 31, 2017) | ||
| Fb1 |
It wasn't "aimed" at you; I took an opportunity to illustrate bias in the media, and figured you could take the heat. I hope in my posts I'm not conveying "irrational hate." I'm quite opinionated (anyone who posts on this thread is, of course), but I try to back up my opinions with facts and links for further study and review. I enjoy political debate. I abhor political poo-flinging fests, and avoid them like the plague. The stuff I post up is fair game for the same kind of critique I gave CSM last night. Sundance adds an extra challenge, in that we don't know whom he or she is. We DO know that he/she is what I'd call a Christian conservative patriot. In my case, I vet news I source from the Treehouse just as religiously as I vetted CSM last night. Again: It wasn't personal, and I apologize if I caused any hard feelings. You and I have broken bread together, ridden together, and raised money for folks in need here on BWB together. We're on the same side, amigo. FB | ||
| Dtaylor |
Update: only one person has been charged, and it appears that he is not a member of any mosque, but rather a disaffected white kid: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city -mosque-attack-alexandre-bissonnette-1.3958559 Fb1 wrote:
(Message edited by dtaylor on January 31, 2017) | ||
| Macbuell |
I agree with Reep. Until we stop yelling at each other and actually start listening to each other, we will never be able to compromise. We all need to recognize that confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance are real and effect our viewpoint. Only when you accept that can you truly be objective. | ||
| Hootowl |
Sure. But be aware that the left does not compromise. They berate the right into compromising. The result of this has been a continuous shift to the left over the past 50 years. At some point, the right has to put its foot down. Is Trump that foot? |
