| Author | Message | ||
     Lost_in_ohio |
My bike 06 12 long with the right side scoop, Other riders bike 06 Uly. Both bikes had wrapped headers. Air temp started in the low 70's and were rising. After riding fairly hard for bout an hour we pulled up to a stop sign in a small town. His fan was running, mine was not. As we stopped for lunch bout half an hour later his fan was still running mine was not....When we turned off our bikes my fan came on low and turned off quickly. His fan was on high and was still on as we walked away. So does the right side scoop work.....Yes. To those that would argue the point....I will take a cooler bike any day. Less fan running=cooler bike, less wear on the noisy fan, better oil temps, less draw on the dreaded stator and electrical system. Best of all a cooler butt. | ||
| 147db |
I agree. I was a little skeptical before, mainly due the lack of symmetry with the left one... but actually I'm testing a prototype from Lorandiresine and my XB runs very cooler, the fan comes on no more!  | ||
| Chad |
Hey Lost in ohio just wondering where you picked up your scoop american Sportbike, Trojan, etc. I like the looks and your thread just sold me! Thanx | ||
| Teeps |
Here another thread, regarding the right side scoop, that is a little more scientific. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142838/224123.html?1158549229 | ||
| Brucelee |
Shortly folks will show up here and tell you that the scoop is "fooling" the temp sensor into thinking it is cool when it really isn't! Oh, and the earth is flat too! | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Chad got it from Trojan... Not american sportbike. I saw that thread and think those guys need to get a life. Call me a simpleton My point is two bikes same engine and frame on the same road at the same time traveling the same route at the same speed in the same weather conditions. One with a right side scoop and the other with out. The results are obvious and I don't need a laser thermometer to tell me what I saw. Well at least they are enjoying their bikes. | ||
| Thumper2811 |
My fan never comes on when I'm riding. When I stop it does come on but only when it is 85+. | ||
| Fullpower |
Lost in O: you have completed one half of your comparative air scoop test. to have any valid conclusion, you must now switch the scoop to the other bike and ride them side by side. | ||
| No_rice |
actually, that sounds like a good idea | ||
| Ted |
are you both using Synthetic oil & have about the same mileage? those can be difference makers ! | ||
| Mattwhite |
How about a test in a traffic jam? | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
I have bout 2500 and he has about 5000. I am still using just standard HD 20/50. I am not sure about his oil. I commute in heavy traffic daily and the fan does not come on till I turn the bike off at home. Before the scoop the fan would come on 2/3 the way home and remain on. | ||
| Blake |
I don't put stock in the fooling the sensor idea. I do believe that the issue concerning diminished cooling effectiveness in a parade duty scenario is valid. | ||
| Xb12rdude |
IT helps, no doubt about it. The first week I had the scoop on it amazed me. My normal ride to work,the fan would always kick on when I shut the bike off. After scoop, never has it come on at work. When it's 85 plus out and in slow traffic, it will still come on sometimes. My un-scientific study shows it comes on about HALF The time as it did without the RH scoop. Plus I think my bike looks better with it. | ||
| Tbowdre |
didnt the Buell engineers look at air flow around the engine? didnt they test the design? It seems we might be missing something by altering the air flow around the engine... ie is something getting hot that is not monitored by a sensor that'll trip the fan? seems like a pretty big mistake by BUELL to not simply put a bigger scoop on the other side of the bike.... | ||
| Lenb |
seems like a pretty big mistake by BUELL to not simply put a bigger scoop on the other side of the bike.... No mistake - just a cost saving exercise. Buell don't care if your fan runs longer and more often to keep the rear cylinder temp close to that of the front. But I would prefer to have the fan operate less myself - hence I am saving for a RH scoop. | ||
| Murdoch |
Lenb is on the money, Its the same reason Buell put gorky mirrors & hard as hell handgrips on. If they put every little thing on everybodies wishlist on the bikes they`d be way outpriced. This way ppl will upgrade/replace what is important to them. My fan only runs half as much with my newish RH scoop. And when I shut it off, the fan cuts in but nearly immediately drops back to the lower speed, runs for a few seconds then cuts out. Prior to fitting the RH scoop it would run for at least 3 minutes on high before cutting back to the lower speed. One of the best mods I`ve done to the bike. Cheers Murdoch | ||
| Tbowdre |
no way, there is already a scoop in place! whats it cost to add a small amount of plastic. I see no obvious savings in your statement, makes no sense.... cost savings? like everybody thinks its more important to have color impregnated plastic rather than cheaper painted stuff like other manufactures | ||
| Buelleghoulie |
I think cost savings are in the long run..like an engine that still works savings..Its in my opinion, simple physics..the more air by volume..the better overall cooling you will have..more cool = more cool  Its like those computer geeks ( read..me) that have 8 fans in there gaming machines..temp drops by quite a bit, and we can play Q4 online for days longer... my $.03 ( exchange rate..) PS; Im thinking with all this talk about the scoop..we may see it on the 08's or later..maybe as a factory accessory...?? | ||
| Brucelee |
Hey, we know that Buell NEVER makes any mistakes. What Forums are these guys reading anyway. PS- I LOVE my XB9 and my right side scoop. | ||
| Blake |
It has been stated here that the parade duty scenario is a major factor in the design and configuration of the cooling system and its scoops and ducting. The reason given was that without the ducting on the right, the fan was not effective in pulling air over the engine as desired. That makes perfect sense to me. So if you are using a right side scoop, just be careful on hot days in a parade duty (stop and go) scenario. Buell didn't make a mistake with the cooling system. It works and works well. Care to subject your right side scooped bike to the same high desert 100oF+ no breeze torture test that the stock bikes are designed to handle? No big deal, like I said, just avoid the parade duty scenario on hot days. I usually shut down my Cyclone if possible in situations like that. | ||
| Blake |
I like the idea of a speed and temp sensor activated valve for the scoop. I bet Al or Matt will have one worked up for us in no time. | ||
| Brucelee |
"So if you are using a right side scoop, just be careful on hot days in a parade duty (stop and go) scenario. Buell didn't make a mistake with the cooling system. It works and works well" Perhaps we should subject this statement to the rigor and criticism that you have heaped on the right side scoop? Buell makes mistakes, no kidding! | ||
| Brucelee |
"Its the same reason Buell put gorky mirrors & hard as hell handgrips on." Surely you are mistaken. We all know that the mirrors on our Buells work perfectly. It must be our eyes are are shaking all over the place! | ||
| Tbowdre |
grips and mirrors? pleeeeease! who cares about either of these items. we are talking about cooling an engine. I assume the engineers spend a bit moretime and energy discussing the effective operation of the motorcycle in comparison to the squishyness of the seat | ||
| Blake |
"Perhaps we should subject this statement to the rigor and criticism that you have heaped on the right side scoop?" I'd dare you to do so. But you are entirely unqualified. | ||
| Brucelee |
"I'd dare you to do so. But you are entirely unqualified" Gee, that sounds like a personal attack. Aren't you the guy who lectures about such stuff. hmmm, hypocrisy abounds here in blakeland. | ||
| Lenb |
So if you are using a right side scoop, just be careful on hot days in a parade duty (stop and go) scenario. I bought a Buell for accelerating, wheelie-ing, braking and cornering. I mainly ride it on weekends on group rides in the hills. I don't intend to spend any time on parade duty. That kind of riding just doesn't appeal to me (and doesn't suit a Buell's character anyway). (Message edited by lenb on September 21, 2006) | ||
| Brucelee |
"grips and mirrors" You are right. Being able to see behind you is totally unimportant and not an engineers concern. You may be dead, but your bike will NOT overheat! Good one! | ||
| Jiffy |
I think the point is it that it is hard to tell if the right side scoop is actually "good" for the motor. Yes it might make the fan run less frequently, but that does not mean it is a good thing. You would have to do some pretty extensive testing to actually "prove" it works as many people claim it does. I would just be worried of any possible side-effects that is all. (Message edited by jiffy on September 21, 2006) | ||
| Blake |
Oh the drama!  | ||
| Xb12r_nate |
"Oh the Drama" Seriously! If you like the "look" of the right side scoop use it! These bikes are proven reliable and they have a fan should things get to warm not to mention ignition retard as a last resort. What exactly are we worried about? Just ride the damn thing already! If you blow it up build a 90incher! I'm only half serious there but I think some of us are making "Mountains out of Moll hills"! Nate | ||
| Lenb |
[it] is hard to tell if the right side scoop is actually "good" for the motor. It's neither good nor bad. It just makes the fan run less! What exactly are we worried about? Just ride the damn thing already! Well said! | ||
| Blake |
Sorry Richard you are right, that was a bit low of me. However, I blame you. LOL! | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
wow this thread got out of control. I believe the right side scoops does help the bike run cooler. You are correct in questioning whether or not it is a good thing or not. In my experience cooler is generally better. Like the scoop or not I was merely providing my personal observations. I had no intention of it being scientific. IMHO the the situation made my conclusions valid. As far as switching scoops and that nonsense. I am not gonna waste my time. Just for the record the guy on the ULY is buying a right side scoop. |
