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Spacemonkey
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Since there's been a lot of talk about Drummer on the board lately, i thought i'd pose this question.

Which is better? Has anyone done a comparison? they both seem to get a lot of kudos for being good.
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There have been a few comparisons... Both are good pipes. Each has their strengths and weaknesses...
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Stealthxb
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do a search or wait for the shootout.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wait for the Shootout.
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Yohinan
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Third agreement on waiting for the results of the shootout!
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Diablobrian
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think there's a shootout coming up soon that will answer all the exhaust questions.
anyone heard about it? (tongue planted firmly in cheek)
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When?
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Yohinan
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm, thinking this weekend.
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where?
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Diablobrian
Posted on Wednesday, May 03, 2006 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Waterloo....you know where Napolean was defeated.
But I never knew Napolean made it all the way to Iowa. Damned public schools
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Chrisb
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For the past 8 years I have worked in a test/lab/real world test enviroment. Data is very easy to manipulate to show the results that either the testers or what the sponsor of the test wants to see. And thats only the tip of the iceberg. With things like enviroment, operator error, equipment/configurations all factor into what the results will show at the end of the test.
Nothing like hearing the assigned testor tell you over a few refreshments that his boss told him to make sure this fails.

I'll put my spoon away now.
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Odie
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 08:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm pretty confident this will be unbiased and ran the way it was intended. I agree with you overall about statistics but this will be done right I'm sure.
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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 08:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

THIS SUSPENCE IS KILLING ME! i have been waiting a month for this to get here. i cant take it..curiosity is killing me.

YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST FOR DOING THIS FOR THE BAD WEB MEMBERS. HATS OFF TO YOU GUYS!
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who?
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hear you Chris but more than one sponsor will be there, more than one BadWeb member will be there, There will be a number of pipes there...

Each pipe will be tuned to whatever specification the manufacturer asks for. The ones to watch are the Micron and the Drummer IMO. My prediction is that the Micron may make 1-2 more HP from ~5500-6800 on a twelve than the Drummer does but I believe the Drummer-SS or Drummer-CF will make 1-2 more everywhere else. I may be willing to up that to 2-3 more under 2600.

My only apprehension about the whole thing is that I spend time at 1800RPM. I believe each pipe should be tuned as low as possible. That in and of itself gives good usable data...
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Diablobrian
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This test is removed from the major players back yards to remove home field advantage, and dyno differences.

People need to remember to look at the curves more than the highest numbers at the end of the test.

As has already been said there will be several dyno operators and different manufacturers at the test. No one
will stand for the test being biased and tarnishing the integrity of everyone there. It is a truly independent test.

How many different pipes are going to be tested? does anyone have the list?
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Mountainbiker90
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did you get the memo? We are now putting cover sheets on all our TPS reports. I'll go ahead and email you the memo, just in case you forgot about it.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My stapeler.....it's a red swingline.....
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the last straw...
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Spike
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used to be by the window, where I could see the squirrels, and they were merry . . .
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Snowhownd
Posted on Thursday, May 04, 2006 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeeeeaahhhhh, tomorrow is hawaiian shirt day
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Mountainbiker90
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oh, and i'm going to need you to go ahead and come in on saturday. and sunday too. so if you could show up at the normal time, that'd be great.
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Spike
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is the worst idea I've ever heard in my life.

Yes, this is terrible idea.




What ever happened to the movie quote thread?
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Stealthxb
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Peter...watch your cornhole man.
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Spike
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

on the off topic . . .

I was googling around and saw that swingline offers a collectors edition red stapler. However, looking at movie scenes, the collector edition is not the same stapler as used in the movie. How lame is that?
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Stealthxb
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fun fact...
Swingline did not actually produce a red stapler when Office Space was created.
Do to the success of the film they put a red stapler into production.
It has been their best selling product to date.
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Mr_cuell
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The movie line thread? That's like trying to find a needle in a stack of needles . . .
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Madsx
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm gonna burn the building down.
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Pipefittermike
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Someone's got a case of the mondays...
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Diablobrian
Posted on Friday, May 05, 2006 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, I wouldn't say I've been missing it Bob
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Sgthigg
Posted on Saturday, May 06, 2006 - 01:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now we got to email When we do our TPS resets? In spread sheet format?!! dAMN IT MAN!

(Message edited by sgthigg on May 06, 2006)
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