| Author | Message | ||
     Flynlow |
My xb9s is used a quart and a half from 1k to 3k mi. is this normal? | ||
| Fullpower |
not normal. my best guess is that the level was either not checked properly, ie engine warm, on side stand, dipstick screwed in all the way, or was not full to start with. | ||
| Flynlow |
I followed the proper procedure,ran it 15 min,checked it on the side stand,dipstick screwed in all the way. I had her serviced at 1k mi and checked it at 3k mi and was shocked to find that the oil didn't even register on the dipstick...had to change the oil to see just how low it was. I did switch to mobil 1 20/50 and am keeping an eye on it. I'm at 4k now and she used 6 oz in a 1k mi...any ideas? | ||
| Odinbueller |
Ditto. Take the bike out for a nice long 15-20 mile ride, let the bike idle for a half a minute on the sidestand, shut it down, pull the dipstick & wipe, re-insert & completely thread dipstick back in, pull out for accurate reading. | ||
| Izzinya |
we have been haveing a bunch of VALVE GUIDE SEALS bad on new bikes none on the buell yet....BUT i do believe that H-D has gone to 1 style of valve guide seal for ALL PRODUCTS originally on BUELL XB models than went to sportster models now on big twins 4 in the last 2 weeks Id check compression (Rings) and leak down (valves,seals,rings, and gaskets) if i didnt have that equipment i would take it to a dealership if under warranty ALL GOOD... if not (and technically inclined) get #'s from dealership and do it yourself if not look for about 350-450 labor + parts (250 + -) also look for RINGS LINED UP Izzinya  AKA shane from eastside harley | ||
| Fullpower |
oooooh, hate when my rings line up. damn what are the odds? | ||
| Izzinya |
not very hi if you are GOOD lol ive only seen it twice in 12 yrs once my first sportster (wich led me to being a thech) and once last month wierd!!!! Izzinya | ||
| Fullpower |
flylow: you said you had it serviced, then checked it 2000 miles later? did you check the oil right after you got "serviced" your bike may not have consumed any oil at all. | ||
| Fullpower |
had a friend get "serviced" at the HD up the road. his new (1000mile) sportster was a quart low,after the 1000 mile service, he asked them to fill it up the rest of the way,since they billed him some obscene amount for oil and filter change, they gave a 10 minute song and dance routine about oil expansion, claimed repeatedly to have installed the requisite 3 quarts. finally after 15 minute of asking, he went back to parts counter, paid cash for a quart of HD360, poured the entire quart in and road the 85 miles home. the extra quart did indeed fit the sportsters oil tank, even in its warm expanded state. he is not going back. | ||
| Ingemar |
Mine has never consumed any oil. I seriously wonder if such oil consumption would have to do with the break in procedure. I did the break in on my sportster the easy way and it consumed oil. Not much, but every 1000kms or so it could use some. I did the break in on the buell the hard way and it hasn't consumed any oil. Could be coincidence, but it makes me wonder. | ||
| Gowindward |
My 12R has been consuming oil. It has a little over 10K miles in it. I would say 8 to 12 oz every 500 to 600 miles. I've checked for leaks and no real signs of any leaking. Shane, has H-D put out a service bulletin or any notice to the dealers on the valve guide seals? | ||
| Brucelee |
Zero oil consumption in my XB over 7500 miles. I change it every 2500. | ||
| Captainplanet |
Mine XB9R did consume some oil in the first few thousand miles. After that it has been fine. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Your bikes may not be consuming oil per say. Check your airbox and see how much mist is in there. I check my oil level right after I ride. Using Mobil 1. So far 0 change in level. | ||
| Gowindward |
Only a small amount of oil film in the air box. Really what I would expect with the crank case being vented into it. I made several long trips (500+ mile days)here in the last month. When I check the oil level in the morning (yes with the bike hot) and then again at the end of the day and 500+ miles and the level is at the bottom of the dip stick. I know the bike has consumed some oil. At this point I think I need to start a log book so I can take it into the dealer with some actual data. | ||
| Izzinya |
Shane, has H-D put out a service bulletin or any notice to the dealers on the valve guide seals? not that i know of it might be too new of a problem, or no problem at all as far as they see it ill look for a tech bulletin today izzinya | ||
| Flynlow |
flylow: you said you had it serviced, then checked it 2000 miles later? did you check the oil right after you got "serviced" your bike may not have consumed any oil at all. fullpower: no..I did not check the oil after the service, wish I would have, then I would know if they just left some out or didn't change the oil at all. thanks for the pointers Izzinya, I check the the rings. thanks for all the input.. | ||
| Izzinya |
did a check of the h-d net and havnt found any bulletins about this but that may be changeing i talked to our district rep and he said to report it to tech services , and that he has heard and reported a number of them Flynlow .....Izzinya, I check the the rings. thanks for all the input.. valve seals might not show up on a leak down test just an fyi Izzinya | ||
| Izzinya |
Flynlow any news ?? shane | ||
| Ted |
i've got 3000 miles on my xb9s. zero oil consumption since day1. (fingers crossed!) at the 1000 service, HD did leave it an ounce or 2 down. I had 'em top it up as I didnt have any HD oil on hand. Using Mobil 15/50 now. | ||
| Dragonbuell12r |
My 05 XB12R used several ounces in the first 300 miles. At the 1k mark when I did my own service I switched to Mobil 1 15/50 front and back. Although it shifts really smooth the bike does use about .016 oz per mile.(I've used about 32oz from 1k to 3k miles) I check the oil every time I ride, when I get home, so I know the bike is at op temp. | ||
| Metalstorm |
I'm not sure if mine's losing oil or not. I've given the bike two oil changes so far (first at 75 miles, the second at 200 miles) and each time I put in the 2.5 quarts as it says in the manual. each time the oil has registered just over the lowest mark on the dip stick. At first I figured the stick just isn't long enough to measure right (read some older posts that had this problem) but I decided to experiment today. I added oil until it read at the proper mark. When I get home tomorrow I'll check the oil (while hot) & see if it drops down or stays the same. If it drops down I'll check the air box for a royal mess & know it's just the dip of a dipstick. If it's the same I will be very miffed at the manual. | ||
| Bigblock |
If you added the oil to the full mark whilst cold, you may well have an overfull condition while hot. Seeing as these are dry sump motors, you are better of just a little low on the stick as compared to overfull! At or above the "fill" line on the dipstick while cold is plenty of oil, especially if you have added the proper amount as specified, to get her up to operating temp and check the oil properly. Overfilling may lead to forced oil expulsion and the possibility of oiled tires( I have seen this happen) and I suppose other not so great possibilities too, but of course underfilling is a definite no-no, that'll make short work of a motor! | ||
| Metalstorm |
Bigblock that fever's effecting your memory. You know I always check the oil when it's fully warm. I'm not worried about oiling the tires. If it's just the dipstick and I ended up overfilling the oil, the excess is vented into the airbox so there shouldn't be any oil near my tires. Just a messy airbox to clean. At least I'm pretty sure it's vented into the airbox.  (Message edited by metalstorm on May 30, 2005) | ||
| Gowindward |
Update to my bikes oil consumption. 1010 miles consumed 28oz. It that excessive???? I think it is to much for a motor with only 11K miles | ||
| Reepicheep |
Are you filling it up to the top or bottom of the dipstick when warm? My Cyclone would drop from the "full" mark to the very bottom of the dipstick, then just park there for the rest of the oil change interval. Had I tried to keep it at the top mark, I would have thought it was burning several quarts a change. If I left it at the bottom of the stick (under the low mark actually) it kept it there forever. | ||
| Gowindward |
I topped it off to the full mark on the dipstick while hot. Then I have been keeping an eye on it over the last 1000 miles. It has made a steady decline in the oil level until it was at right at the bottom of the dipstick. I added the 28oz to top it back off. There has not been much more than a film in the air box. No more than what I would expect with the crank case being vented into it. | ||
| Izzinya |
Are you filling it up to the top or bottom of the dipstick when warm? My Cyclone would drop from the "full" mark to the very bottom of the dipstick, then just park there for the rest of the oil change interval. Had I tried to keep it at the top mark, I would have thought it was burning several quarts a change. If I left it at the bottom of the stick (under the low mark actually) it kept it there forever. the "OLDER" models dont have the same oil consumption problems CUZ of the valve seals sence my last post on this subject we have had 3 more valve seal issues "it seams eastside harley is the only dealership with this problem" MY A$$ you guys need to tell the dealerships about this.... if i tell the moco about this its 1 tech (trying to make money ) if you ALL tell them about it than its a "PROBLEM" also look at the plugs if its "BURNING" oil it will show on the plugs if its "BREAHTING" oil it will not show on the plugs if its breathing oil than look at the umbrella valve in the rocker box just my 2C worth Izzinya (Message edited by izzinya on July 12, 2005) |
