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Archive through January 20, 2010Froggy30 01-20-10  04:00 pm
         

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Captain_america
Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy, that's some good info
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Andynj
Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy, if you don't mind as I see you have been running this batt for a year can you answer some question I had : )

1- What is the longest you have left the bike and what was the charge on the battery when you came back to it?

2- Do you by any chance know what your ignition off load on the battery is?
As a reference on this one on my 1125r it is 0.015mv but this pretty much kills the batt <11.8 after 3 weeks.

3- Have you ever needed to charge this battery in the year you have had it, if so what charger did you use?

4- Finally - what fun thing did you put in the huge space left by the old Battery

Thanks in advance!
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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1- What is the longest you have left the bike and what was the charge on the battery when you came back to it?




I can answer that. I got in a wreck back in July on my XB, the bike has been sitting rotting in my garage since then. My guess between lying on its side for half an hour till the tow company picked the bike up (ignition on), plus sitting in my garage untouched for several months, it was discharged a bit. I turned the key on to check things out, the HID headlight fired up, my in dash LED volt meter was flashing red, and it didn't have enough power to start the bike. I used a normal battery charger to bring it up to life.


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2- Do you by any chance know what your ignition off load on the battery is?




I currently lack a digital voltmeter. I will have to obtain one and find out. I assume it isn't as bad on the XB, as its only running a clock and storing the tripometers. On the 1125's you got the security system and everything else. : )


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3- Have you ever needed to charge this battery in the year you have had it, if so what charger did you use?




Yep as posted above, standard car battery charger.


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4- Finally - what fun thing did you put in the huge space left by the old Battery




My XB is running a Ulysses tail section, and due to the differences in the wiring harness I couldn't set it up like a stock Uly. I ended up using the extra space to hold the fuse boxes and relays. There is still extra room, plus combined with the large open area under the seat I can easily add a ton of goodies : )

(Message edited by froggy on January 20, 2010)
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Andynj
Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Froggy thats really useful real world experience.

All in all would you splash the cash for the same again or go standard...

I'm on the fence $375 is a lot to splash.
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Next time I will probably build one myself and save some cash. I might even go with something like 16 or 20 cell just due to the fact my Uly was a rolling nuclear reactor.

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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> k so a 12 cell batt (specs would be nice) @ $375 and (guessing) 2.3 pounds saves 9.7 pounds... round to 10

Other than taking an enormous dump, it's absolutely the CHEAPEST 10lbs you will shed off the bike.

The next 10lbs will cost you at least $500.

The 10 after that $5,000.
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Captain_america
Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jdugger... your absolutely right
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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just ordered my speedcell. Now it's called the P3. I read on the WERA and ASMA forums what people that use the battery were saying about it. Ya, it's expensive at $375 but the benefits are good. I'm not sure if I'll get one for the FJR but the idea of never needing a trickle charger again is appealing.

(Message edited by duggram on January 23, 2010)
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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 09:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim, I have to disagree with you on the next 10 for $5K. When I put my new ram air FlexiGlass side panels on and eliminate the fan system I will lose 15 - 20 pounds for $1100. Then it's 6 pounds for $2K with the mag wheels. Now the pounds start looking pretty expensive.
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Jdugger
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Duggram,

So, you have to keep the bike moving at all times then, right? You are removing the forced air system entirely and depending on directed air flow while moving to cool the bike?

... but it saves 15-20 lbs.... WOW.
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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, keep it moving and use one of those big square fans in the pits. With those side panels you have to move the ECM. I'm hopeful that with the smaller battery that will be a good place to mount the ECM.

With these changes, and the ones you pointed out earlier in this thread, the Buell's going to get a lot lighter this year.
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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jim, check out this old thread where Trevor, the owner of FlexiGlass comments on how the weight is saved. There's also a comment about the potential for bike damage because you take off certain brackets. From personal experience I can say that the brackets don't work that good any way.

(Message edited by duggram on January 23, 2010)
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Jdugger
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The guys at EBR are reporting 1125RR builds at 360 WET minus fuel.

That's, wheels, body work, lightweight chassis bits, battery and so on.

It's not legal in AMA, but Ti and aluminum fasteners could easily be another 3-5 lbs, and then your 15-20 lbs, it's conceivable one could track a 340lb machine.

Wow. Just wow.
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Jdugger
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, and linky no worky
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Duggram
Posted on Saturday, January 23, 2010 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fixed the link. Do you have a source for the fasteners? Later this spring I'll post up a thread asking for suggestions on how/where to use them.

340 pounds! Starting to sound like the weight of a 250.
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