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     Buellborn |
Time after time I have witnesses people that have just bought a brand new 1125 get slapped around here by the dominate few when they report an issue. Beaten by those who are more concerned how they look to someone at Buell or dealer than to actually internalizing what the person said and wants. Often its over something small but something that has been widely accept as normal expectations in the market place. And we chase them away if they do not conform I understand I’m verbose. Contrary to Courts “DR. Phil attempt my true quirk is I have high standards am a true patriot and am sadden by the state of American Manufacturing. I don’t revel in it’s fall. I’m hoping to articulate widely accepted market demands in hopes that there can be a turnaround before it’s all gone. If I have a disorder is that I feel the need to stand up and root for the underdog. Not just for one game but the whole season. Again, I have no joy in pushing for a market ready bike. It hurts me that the 1125 was not received well by the public or press. Rotax is the holly grail of engines and while I was said the Buell would not have an American engine I was excited that the bike would be world class. When the word starting spreading of the long list of issues that halo effect faded and placed the spotlight clearly on Buell as the engine is one of the largest parts of the bike was not to blame. This board is not an actual representation of market acceptance or demands. Since Buell is a nitch player (part of the reason I was drawn to them) this is the one spot where the die-hard fans, factory and dealer personal all come to converse. That means 2/3 or more are trying to impress someone in hopes of positive recognition and self gain. This includes many customers. So where can Buell get accurate feedback necessary to make a competitive product? We have seen time and time again where peer-pressure to conform or leave this forum has silenced the general population so that a very few steer the forum. There is no balance nor is it desired or welcome. I won’t go item by item but take any one as an example. Look how the electrical system was addressed here. People who artificially kept their bike going belittle those that do not go home and place it on a tender every time it’s not running. That’s akin to a windup toy fully wound every night to deliver a bursts of energy the next day. That does not fix the problem, it masked them. That’s not normal It’s not that Buell is not working its way through the problems, it’s the number of issues in total and how lightly they are treated here. Before the recent layoffs most people did not have time for multiple returns to the dealer in-between service intervals. Making excuses or protecting the manufacture come hell or highwater provides a false sense of security and little motivation to do better. The backdoor. Many take pride that they can get a part shipped half way around the world if they say pretty please and Simon Says on a web forum. Those back end favoritism type fixes make the company look very unprofessional. Those extraordinary customer service feets should be clearly available to all through not just because you kissed the ring of the pope, Heck it’s not even a pope, it’s a Bishop that knows the pope. Put the proper channels in the owners manual and never stray from it. If this site is the way you get your bike fixed than put it in the book along with the rules of proper presentation and worship. Somebody had to test these did they not? How many yes men did this bike pass? The rush to market is apparent in many angles. Many we have come to accept over time, but has the market place? I’m not saying to make a homogenized bike. I’m saying question yourself and push to be the best you can be. Belittling opposition will only server your very short term goals and will poison your long term planning for success. While I appreciate anything Court may have done officially for Buell During the Reagan administration, since he still considers himself a vital cog of Buell and treats the owner base here with a pick and choose attitude on who gets help, I will bid farewell. I enjoy the honest banter form the true owner base that tries until they find a solution all benefit from But I’m turned off by the lack of care Buell has spent in the details of a very important bike. I don’t want to defend myself any longer I want to go ride. I wish nothing but the best to the last chance America has to have even a small part in the sport bike culture. So, Court and other high priest I bid you farewell I’ll leave you be. I’m off to get a Tuono and say to the TRUE and honest paying customers/enthusiast here lurking in the background, to those the fine people here, thanks for the ride | ||
| Pariah |
Buellborn, Come on, chill Dude. I think I expressed how some of your posts made me feel. This does not mean that I wish to see you depart. I would hope that you would exercise more tact in the future, but I am not happy to see you leave or go with Aprilia... ew! Again, ride the darn bike, and you'll see it's world class. Despite heat or fuel issues, its virtues shine through. I hope that you reconsider, but whatever you decide, good luck to you. PS And, for the last time, the 1125R engine is not a pure Rotax design. It was developed in collaboration with Buell, and, therefore, is partly an American designed engine. The three-way love child of Austria, Canada and the USA (as a Canadian, I'm fond of pointing out that BRP owns Rotax), if you will... | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Bye, enjoy the new ride. | ||
| Slypiranna |
Buellborn, I hope you change your mind///post in the future and buy an 1125///as the bike (at least) is almost perfected!  Human communication is another topic still open for improvement. I agree with a lot of what you have offered here from your perspective. It is unfortunate that some owners/affliates cannot think with a truly open mind when communicating with a potential fellow owner but, that is just my opinion. Suffice to say that many things that I've read of your past/present posts, I can relate to in more ways than one. Best of wishes either way you go, mm | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Dude, it's not WHAT you are saying, it's HOW you say it and the FREQUENCY/REPETITIVENESS of the jabs. Notice when you make a thoughtful, civil post, people tend to receive it okay? Most of your audience here own the bikes that you constantly berate, therefore, even if you have a valid point, you have to keep that fact in mind. When you criticize the 1125r, you call out every person that chose to purchase this bike (right or wrong, it's human nature.) It's call tact and you have displayed little of it here. Would you go to a Raider Nation party and start talking shit on the Raiders? Obviously, this is the internet and the physical retribution you might receive at at Raider Nation gathering is not possible, b€ut you get the idea. | ||
| P_squared |
1st - This is a Buell ENTHUSIAST site. Of course the majority of folks here will be ENTHUSIASTic about the brand & their bikes. What did you honestly expect? 2nd - I've yet to see anyone here NOT help someone when they were ASKED. A 'please' sure goes a long way. 3rd - Some folks have had major problems. Others haven't. Some folks have a higher 'threshold' for what is/isn't acceptable. We're all human & we're all different. I have had no major issues w/ my 1125R. I realize others have. I can understand an owner's frustration when 'it doesn't work', but I don't understand someone CONSTANTLY harping about perceived shortcomings, but don't offer a viable solution.  Strange thing, but folks who have had issues, when they pursue the issue(s) as recommended here repeatedly, it seems to get resolved. When they blow a gasket & threaten litigation, it doesn't seem to get resolved to their satisfaction. Why do you think that is? (Rhetorical question) 4th - Get what you want & enjoy the ride. No one here is going to stop you. 5th - If you ever decide to come back, I'm sure you'll see this place is pretty much the same. If you act politely, everyone will go out of their way to help. If you act like an @$$, don't be surprised when everyone tells you to go get bent. | ||
| Tonedeath |
i agree with both sides of this. I have owned many differnt bikes. My favorite so far is my 1125r i have had many problems with it and my dealer finally got the latest one fixed after they have had my bike for a month. I can understand ones frustrations with it. | ||
| Xbswede |
And then there are us who have not had a single issue or complaint. Even after sitting for 4 weeks in 32 degree weather without a tender. Ticks right over just like my Yammy. The most fun bike I have ever bought. Good luck with your Tuono. I wanted one of those for a while as well. | ||
| Dbird29 |
If this is what upsets you, "It hurts me that the 1125 was not received well by the public or press", then you will forever be disappointed. There are bad reviews for every product.  Is this where everyone begs you not to leave?  (Sorry it is just so predictable anymore) | ||
| Zac4mac |
I have a bit of a problem with folks that come here and beat the "I just want Buell to succeed" drum while they slam a product they don't own or have any real experience with. Yes, I have had "problems", even had a camshaft replaced. This is still the most amazing machine I've ever piloted. And Buell has shown ME time and again what a singularly excellent Company they are. That's my true feeling, not smootching somebody's hind-end. Life is too short to worry about what MIGHT happen. Enjoy what IS happening. Z | ||
| Dirty_john |
The 1125R is all I expected it to be and more, it sits alongside my Firebolt and GSXR. All manufactured items will have issues and yes the 1125R seems to have been released to market before being fully sorted but remember to compare the size of Buell with that of Suzuki etc - never mind Buell's connection with HD. Get with the programme and enjoy the bike for what it is, a specialist product in a sea of mass produced,uniform UJMs | ||
| Slaughter |
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| Spectrum |
it's not WHAT you are saying, it's HOW you say it and the FREQUENCY/REPETITIVENESS +1 on that Fresno. As Sly said, many of us have agreed with a number of the points you made. Just don't appreciate getting repeatedly beat over the head with someone else's version of the truth. One of the many fatherly wisdom's my Dad used to emphasize, "never repeat yourself more than once". After that you start loose a little more credibility every time reiterate.} | ||
| Lecanadysbcglobalnet |
Hey Court, Keep it up buddy, No matter the what fors, the guys here have been blessed by your being here. Including those guys still coming. I'm not sure this guy understands what you do or how much it really helps when you get involved. I do and have felt the relief first hand when they BCS has done all they can to fix it, and decide just to replace it. All because they want there customers to be satisfied and then they mention your name as being the catalyst to getting it done quickly. Buells not perfect but, I for one have gotten my moneys worth of bike and fun. Best wishes to you guys still working through problems, but sometimes it better if we don't Crap in the hand that's trying to help us. Especially when it's voluntary and free. If it ain't Court opinions you want helping, then who do you recommend going to, when we want to some one to get us to the front of the line, faster then the normal way of waiting in that line...? Let it go dude I/We may need Court and I don't think you're going to fill his shoes any time soon! Do you?!!! Your Aces Court!!! I absolutely love my new R it runs great and we'er headin to the track next month. Thanks, to all the guys that help the rest of us that need it. May be this guy will need you're help too, some day. Les | ||
| Tnxbrider |
WTF.... I love mine... | ||
| Jammin_joules |
We have probably a half dozen Loki platform bikes on the floor and, as is the case with the 80 or so new and 40 or so used Harley's this time of year, we cycle 4 battery tenders through the fleet. This means maybe once a month on any given bike. But the 1125CR and 1125R that we put out on demo rides this past Sat had not seen them in weeks. They started fine. Only the first two 1125R's exhibited a sensitivity to any low battery condition, as best I can recall. As for how many have given feedback to the Loki product development team; I was at Miller Motor Sport for a one of several dealer-only Track Days before the bikes were shipped. A fleet of at least 20 bikes were ridden hard and a team of folks from BMC were there taking in feedback. When we took delivery of our first, several changes were obvious. ~jammer (Message edited by jammin_Joules on January 19, 2009) | ||
| Gschuette |
I want an 1125R really bad but I hear what he is saying and agree with much of buellborn's post. Much of what he was talking about in his original post is happening throughout this thread. It is frustrating but I can deal with it. Good post buellborn, very eloquent, although from the looks of things it will be falling on deaf ears. | ||
| Tonedeath |
i have had my problems solved finally. But no thanks to court. Is he supposed to be a buell god or something? I posted a blog about my cel and lfl always comming on and he just came back with smartass comments about it and never really helped me. But to the others that did help me THANKYOU my bike will be ready tomorow at lunch time and im ready to ride. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
No, it wasn't eloquent. It was petty and boring. Don't like the forum? Leave. Don't like your bike? Get a different bike. Do whatever you like, but do it quietly--it's your problem, not the world's. I shudder to think how Buellborn (Apriliaborn, now?) will react when he discovers the Tuono isn't faultless, and that Aprilia's manufacturer support here in the states is... well, he'll see. Let's just say now wouldn't be too early to call the local suicide hotline on his behalf. | ||
| Krassh |
Tonedeath Did you notice you did not get any helpful comments until you created a separate thread that had the "extra commentary" removed? | ||
| Tonedeath |
krassh yea i was new to this site and now i see its more back and fourth bickering than buell help. i needed help not feedback because i was frustrated with my bike full of problems. | ||
| Edmbueller |
Traded bikes with my buddy who owns a Tuono last summer. He now rides an 1125R. hmmm Win one / lose one.... | ||
| Slypiranna |
And non of this is the point...as many of you have proven over again. This was/might still be a potential Buell customer, fellow new owner...and IS an owner of another, early Buell product. Read the freakin' profile, this gent is not new to Buell. Somehow, many of "us" miss what is too obvious to constructively communicate/argue upon without getting our pu$$y panties in a bunch, JUST because WE are 1125 owners. Think again and then run your freakin' fingers around your keyboards. Many of you 1125 owners still can't grasp a lot of what already is in archives from a year ago and torture ALL to this day. If YOU were in this market and knowing what has taken place...what would YOU do different then the one CUSTOMER that YOU HELPED LOOSE in buying within YOUR ownership group? What the frig am I missing in trying to help this cause, afford another with good input/help, tech 101, ect...ect...? Is "this" just a method that all those involved find a way to kill time in the winter? Come on. Get off your ownership kick. Get real with all those involved and WISH to be involved! YOU might just become a salesman or salewoman at best, by your ownership/involvement...NOT PUSHING POTENTIALS AWAY BY YOUR DEFENSE! Just a thought, again...OPPSS!...said it more than twice! With THIS, I'm without merit now...  but remain in helping to perfect/involve others/listen to others/bite my tongue or cut the damn thing off as I know how to type...and whatever else is needed...mm | ||
| Smoke |
ridesafebuellborn! tim | ||
| Ponti1 |
Hmmm...Perhaps everyone will be less punchy if they can talk about an activity they're currently able to participate in? Can we convert BadWeb to a snowblower enthusiasts' forum for the next two months? | ||
| P_squared |
In a word, NO. Some of us are blessed/lucky enough to be able to ride year around. Mid 50s tomorrow, warming up to low 70s by Friday. I know, "You suck."  | ||
| Dentguy |
So, now I'll go ahead and post what I've posted on some other threads here lately. Another thread gone bad. I stayed away from this site a while back for just this reason. It just got old. Thought things may have changed, but it seems they didn't. Of all the motorcycle forums I have visited, this one has the most bickering by far. I just don't get it. Seems familiar. From last April. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/349536.html (Message edited by dentguy on January 19, 2009) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Seems familiar. From last April. april is a while back and the only reason you posted was cause you were originator and drive behind the thread. Whatever treatment Buellborn received was absolutely deserved. Plain and simple. This thread is ridiculous and it was only to create drama as some people have previously posted. I seriously doubt the guy will buy the Tuono. That's BS. | ||
| Dentguy |
april is a while back and the only reason you posted was cause you were originator and drive behind the thread. What's your point? My point was that it's the same crap that was going on then and not much has changed. Had somebody else originated it, the point would be the same. Say what you want I have no desire to get into this. (Message edited by dentguy on January 20, 2009) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
My point is that you pull a post from April and here we are in January. These drama posts don't occur often and the vast, vast majority of things here are productive. The last "blow up" I can remember is Brad1445. Do we miss him? He was also the self-proclaimed BMC savior. (Message edited by fresnobuell on January 20, 2009) | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
STOP IT!!!! all this fighting is tearing this family apart   can we just stop this little bickering thread and not acknowledge someone who deserves to not be here after all, honestly guys lets let this damn thing die!!! THANX!! Jake |
