| Author | Message | ||
     Painkiller |
+1 Blake Actually that is the only reason I came to this forum at all. If it wasn't 4 the problems I might not have made it here at all... | ||
| Kravfighter |
Hmmmm, this gets old. I think anyone who has spent well earned money has the right to be pissed off if they aren't enjoying their investment. I love my 1125, but if someone else doesn't, so be it. | ||
| Painkiller |
Krash I got it from Kearny took it to downtown SD 4 its service because I was so put off by the guys at Kearny & also tried at Victorville HD but they no longer work on Buells. | ||
| Krassh |
So the scratch and whatnot you described above was courtesy of Kearny or Downtown? Fordyce in Riverside could not fit you in? Or was this while you still lived in SD? You are up at Ft. Irwin now right? | ||
| Painkiller |
Scratch was courtesy of Kearny. I wanted to have the service done in SD where the bike was before I made the trip to Irwin. I have not yet had the chance to check out Fordyce but I think I might make the trip this weekend. | ||
| Krassh |
When I lived in North SD county (Vista) the only experience I had with dealers down there was Biggs (Harleys House of Harley's in Oceanside before they were Biggs) with mixed results. | ||
| Ruprecht |
Has anyone compiled a definitive list of the 1125R's common niggles? The big one appears to have been the fueling issue, which seems to be the main culprit for most of the other issues such as heat problems (including boiling fuel and fuel smells), poor starting, stalling and surging. Certainly it was this issue which has been responsible for the majority of the bad press. What I've read here of people's results from the last ECM flash seems to indicate this is fixed...? There was the power/battery problems, which seem to have been fixed by making sure the battery is given a decent charge and the changes in the first ECM update. Then there is the weeping clutch cover. Acknowledged and corrected by a redesign. The fifth gear recall... I haven't actually read any personal reports on here of people who experienced problems from this, so it's good to see Buell on top of it before it became an issue. Indicator failure... still working on this one it seems (aftermarket indicators don't seem to have issues though). I can see how that would annoy someone who's purchased a new machine, but for me personally that's in the "who cares" box along with hard to read instrument lights. Other than that, probably most of the complaints I've read have been about the look (especially the radiator pods, personally I actually like the way it looks) and the lack of aftermarket tuning and exhaust options (give it time, the Jardine pipe looks good to me). Unfortunate that the niggles made it into the production bikes, both for the company and the bike in terms of sales and reputation. ...but personally I'm keen to capitalise on it and grab an '08 bargain (although I haven't seen the discounts I'm hoping for yet)! | ||
| Zac4mac |
Call us early adopters beta testers, in a very real sense we were. BMC listened in ways no other company does. The latest tech tip had a blurb about Mike's (Chevycummins) baro sensor being upside down and full of water and to watch for that on other bikes. The 09s have more than a few "enhancements" over their predecessors and WE played a part. I've enjoyed that. Z | ||
| Court |
>>>.. I haven't actually read any personal reports on here of people who experienced problems from this No one did. It was discovered during the testing protocol. Like the shock recall in 1999 it would be nearly impossible for a "civilian" rider to duplicate the problem. | ||
| P_squared |
How many MC companies sponsor a trackday, send their employees to it, and will sit down & talk with you, the owner, for HOURS, to get your input on what they can do to improve the bike? If you're part of the motopress, sure. But a regular owner? And they want & keep digging for your HONEST opinion? Of the bike, the company, the dealers, etc., etc. That's just too freakin AWESOME in my book. I've had no major inconviences with my 1125R. But maybe that's because my threshold of expectations is different than others? My experience with BMC however has been HANDS DOWN the best with any MC company, as well as better than any Automotive company. Sorry not everyone can be as happy & I will/have been inevitably labeled a kool-aid consumer, but c'est la vie. You're not buying/paying for my bikes, I am. And I'm happy with the product as evidenced by this being my 5th Buell. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Blake- your anger is alarming. I am very keen to continue this conversation with you, I don't think you quite understand where I'm coming from. Obviously, there are members here who grasp what I'm saying, and I'd like to continue with everyone's input. I apologize if this thread seems "hi-jacked", my intention was to provide an unhappy owner with some empathy form someone who's been in his shoes. Would you be willing to continue this discussion in another thread? I have answers for all of the things you've questioned in your posts. It bothers me when people draw conclusions about my statements when they don't have the facts (for example- after joining here I stopped counting the "fifth" Buell because of the short period of time I owned it). I am more than happy to discuss anything you wish to ask of me. What do you think? | ||
| Buellborn |
No Soup for you! | ||
| Hitman44139 |
I kinda look at it this way.... Someone will get a nice 1125 and give it a great home and enjoy it. You mans loss is another's gain. Kinda cool like that. | ||
| Usmoto |
Call me crazy, dumb or whatever but I'd just like to say that I really don't think the "kinks", I call them, with the 25r are all that bad. I'm just throwing my opinion out there and not trying to cause any kind of debate or argument. Also by no means am I minimizing the problems that anyone else has had with the bike so please don't "flame" me for my opinion. Check this out: Runs rough- 3rd reflash fixes it. Free for most. Turn signal not working- replace it, warranty. Solenoid problem- "de-noid" it. I disconnected the cable. 30 mins and a zip tie. 0 $$ Battery dead or low- new battery or tender. Belt guard wearing on belt- shim it. Once again 30 mins and approx. 50 cents worth of washers. Bad dealer or service- find another dealer. Closest dealer to me is 10 mins away. Not Buell friendly. I drive an hour to my preferred dealer. It works. Suspension too hard- reset it until it's right. We already know the manual is wrong. 5th gear problem- free fix I don't even think that's all of the kinks but you get the idea. Let me repeat that I'm not minimizing anyone's problems with their bike. I'm just saying that personally I don't think they're all that bad. Now if I was driving my 25r home and the engine blew up, ok, now that's a different wrinkle. In the last 10 years I've owned 3 Hondas, 1 Kawasaki, 2 Buells, 1 Triumph and 1 Suzuki. All have had some kind of problem or another. Look at it this way, we have the availability of this forum where hundreds if not thousands of folks are finding ways to make not only this Buell better but every Buell from almost the first one made. I never had even close to the info I've found on the Badweb for all the other bikes I owned combined. My dealer is always amazed at the info I have on Buells. I credit it all to you guys and gals and the Badweb. I knew about the kinks when I bought my 25r. I will fix them all and have one of the best bikes on the planet in my opinion, next to all of you other Buellers of course. | ||
| Blake |
"Blake- your anger is alarming." Your inability to read is frightening. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
The fifth gear recall... I haven't actually read any personal reports on here of people who experienced problems from this, so it's good to see Buell on top of it before it became an issue. I believe the first time it happened was to an RMR Racing 1125R at during the Moto-ST at VIR early this summer. The fix came out not long after that. I was also told by a dealer principal that ERIK BUELL HIMSELF called the dealers he knew were into roadracing to warn them about the issue as soon as they identified it. | ||
| Tpoppa |
Blake prefers to cast Buell in a positive light. If someone says something negative about Buell (true or not), Blake will: 1. attempt to cloud the issue, 2. ask if a scientific study was conducted, 3. attack the person's credibility, and 4. call that person a troll. All have happened on this thread. It's all very predictable...no Blake, I have not conducted any formal research studies to support levels of predictability... | ||
| Id073897 |
I was also told by a dealer principal that ERIK BUELL HIMSELF called the dealers he knew were into roadracing to warn them about the issue as soon as they identified it. Great to hear, he found out how to use a phone. Hopefully he might also find out, how quality control works. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Tpoppa- if that is true, it clears up some of my confusion. As was so infamously said: "What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just cant reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. I don't like it anymore than you men." Gunter- sehr witzig! | ||
| Ruprecht |
Like sand through the hourglass... this thread certainly brought the drama. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Great to hear, he found out how to use a phone. Hopefully he might also find out, how quality control works. Huh? Concern you that Buell has quality (defined by the industry standard of defects/C units) that is at the very top of the Harley-Davidson products and among the top in the world. Don't get caught in the internet cesspool. You tend to hear about the problems here. That is true. Go to the Triumph, Honda, Ducati or BMW boards and you'll hear the same thing. What you won't find is the founder of the company intimately involved in solving problems and manning a phone to get the word to the effected (in this case the racers) owners. There are many folks here who have spoken to Erik on the phone. Your comments are largely inaccurate and fail to describe Buell, person or company, with any degree of accuracy. Court | ||
| Id073897 |
Concern you that Buell has quality (defined by the industry standard of defects/C units) that is at the very top of the Harley-Davidson products and among the top in the world. I'm sure you're right. "Top of H-D" and "among the top" in the world. Yeah, that it is. I'm very impressed. Ooh, I forgot: ISO certified also. Halleluja! Happy days will come! As someone who owned a Buell, BMW, Aprilia and Suzuki all at the same time, I definitely know about Buell's QC - or should I better name it CC? I put more money in one (1) Buell than all other bikes together, just to fix faults, which were solely caused by a crappy production. It's needless to discuss that with you, because "it's impossible to wake someone up who is pretending to sleep" (that's from Senegal, not from me). It's your decision to wake up. Give it a try. Regards, Gunter | ||
| Court |
Run over to Stuttgart and see if you can make Porsche's that don't blow all their oil out in hard cornering. Oh that's right . . . "just drive straight". Good night. | ||
| Blake |
(Tpoppa),"Blake prefers to cast Buell in a positive light. If someone says something negative about Buell (true or not), Blake will: 1. attempt to cloud the issue," Blake said: "Steven,I thought that was a very precise and clear answer to the thread author's stated dillema. Did you provide him with a better answer? "If someone says something negative about Buell (true or not), Blake will: 2. ask if a scientific study was conducted," Actually that is what RedBuellJunkie did with his reference to a J.D. Power survey. So you are inventing falshoods or are confused. You sound bitter. I don't recall, did I disagree with you once? It can be a tough thing, to face disagreement in a vigorous debate. I never intentionally seek to "cloud" any issue concerning Buell motorcycles. My intent is always and only to offer my own views and hopefully helpful information. This is a forum for Buell motorcycle enthusisasts. If a person's intent is to badmouth Buell motorcycles, especially through outrageous commentary and blatant falsehoods, they are on the wrong forum, period. "If someone says something negative about Buell (true or not), Blake will: 3. attack the person's credibility, and" Are you contending that all statements by all contributors here are always credible? The comments that you apparently seek to defend clearly demonstrate a complete and utter lack of credibility. Pointing that out as did others is a responsible act. Doing so also demonstrates that folks here are not gullible idiots willing to accept such nonsense. Failing to point out nonsense when it is flung here would encourage that kind of commentary (trolling). You might want that. I and the other custodians here sure don't. Guess which view carries more weight? "If someone says something negative about Buell (true or not), Blake will: 4. call that person a troll. " Are you contending that BadWeB's Buell forums are immune to trolls or trolling? You may be blind to trolls/trolling. I am not. But in this case, you no read good. While I compared three of RedBuellJunkie's specific comments and/or behaviors to that of a troll, I was intentionally careful to not call the man a troll. So once again your characterization of my actions here are inaccurate. I've used the term "troll" judiciously wrt specific BadWeB contributors over the years. With over 16,000 registered contributors, your statement is tough to accept. Please spend a decade running a successful discussion forum and then get back to me on that thinking. My responsibility here and that of my fellow BadWeB custodians (I THANK GOD for EACH OF THEM!) is to maintain the forum here as best as we can according its intended purpose. Surely some toes may fall underfoot. We don't sweat it. I suggest you don't either. Seeking to please all the folks all the time is one of the best recipes for failure, depression, and insanity that I know. The BadWeB custodians including me are very secure in simply doing the best that we can. If that isn't good enough for you, you should absolutely find another forum or better yet, create your own and run it as you see fit. Judging by the quality of your contribution here, you'll be in for a very rude awakening. In this instance, I made my case clear and offered to give benefit of doubt. I remain willing to do so. To his credit the RedBuellJunkie seems to have stepped up to that challenge. We'll see. I also believed that it was vital for the contributor involved (RedBuellJunkie) and everyone observing that they clearly understand my unique perspective and very sore sensitivities on the issue. You obviously don't care a wit about that. That is your business. Just please understand that it's not something that you have any right to broadcast on BadWeatherBikers.com. We all do our job and run our affairs as we see fit. I'd surely not barge into your domain, no pun intended, publicly deriding your management of your own responsibilities. That would be completely out of line. I'm sure you agree, yes? So then, why are you doing that here right now? "All have happened on this thread." That has just been demonstrated to be false. You've played fast and loose with the facts. But regardless, it is not your place to manage how BadWeatherBikes.com is run. If you don't like how I and the other custodians manage the forum here, you are at all times free to avoid it. It's all very predictable...no Blake, I have not conducted any formal research studies to support levels of predictability..." Nor have you bothered to be honest. Nor have you contributed positively to this thread. You've done the exact opposite. You've further polluted this thread with miserableness. That is entirely unwelcome. If your preference is to criticize me or the way BadWeB is managed, please feel free to start your own thread for that purpose. This thread and others like it that concern topics relating to Buell motorcycles are not the place for that, ever. If you have suggestions on how we might better maintain or manage the place, that would be most welcome. If not, please see... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/trolls.htm and give some careful thought as to the true reason(s) for your contribution here. Affirmation?  | ||
| Tpoppa |
So you are inventing falshoods or are confused. You sound bitter. I don't recall, did I disagree with you once? It can be a tough thing, to face disagreement in a vigorous debate. A weak attempt to attack my credibility based on absolutely nothing. Awesome! I was expecting just such a response. Thanks for proving my point. Your post reads like an attorney who is desperately trying to win an argument, regardless of truth. I might print it out so I can read it when i need a good laugh  | ||
| Pridayr |
Tpoppa, Have a nice big cup of shut the f**k up. R | ||
| Sl33py |
Blake - Hello. Some great info, but you are pretty high on your horse regarding Buells. They are prone to failure like any other bike... And no i don't have one (yet) though ridden several (old GF worked at HD - fun benefit). Looking at getting a 09 1125r - and found this site. Amazing info and a lot to digest. I've seen RBJ provide help to several people when they needed assistance. So my unrequested .02 is to take a deep breath and relax a bit. Land of the free... free speech and all. No biggie if not every single person on a forum absolutely LOVES their buell. ok - flame away. thanks for the info in the past RBJ. rob | ||
| Pridayr |
IT'S A BUELL FRIGGIN WEBSITE! WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HIGH ON THEM! THAT'S WHY I'M HERE!!!  R | ||
| Jpfive |
 Better emoticon... +1! (Message edited by jpfive on September 30, 2008) | ||
| Blake |
"A weak attempt to attack my credibility based on absolutely nothing." You mean the falsehoods you contrived to try to smear my character are "nothing"? I agree. Your credibility is nil. No attack required. "Awesome! I was expecting just such a response. Thanks for proving my point." That a perfect example of the type of commentary a troll will post. Your post reads like an attorney who is desperately trying to win an argument, regardless of truth." Yet more trollishness. "I might print it out so I can read it when i need a good laugh" Trolls do that kind of thing. Probably not all trolls, most likely just the ones in junior high school who have no social life to speak of. Congratulations, you are in a select group. If you want to lose your posting privileges here, just keep it up. It is entirely your choice. |
