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Hammer71
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 08:23 pm: | 
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( By the way, I never said I was any kind of rider, good or bad. I am a rider who likes to ride. SOmetimes I feel like I'm going pretyy good, but I bet Mat Mladin wouldn't think so!)
I'll say it, Ray can ride. |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 08:30 pm: |
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Hammer! Long time no see! How you dooin?
(Ha ha! thanks for the vote of confidence! Now where's that video of you throwin sparks from yer knee on that roundabout?)
Did you get your 1125 yet, or are you going a different route? |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 09:00 pm: |
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If one is on the edges of the tires, it MIGHT mean that one is using poor body position. Something to think about.
If you are fighting the turn by leaning OUT of the turn instead of leaning IN, you will use more of the sides of your tires. You can actually get around a turn FASTER and use LESS of the sides of your tires if you are hanging off than if you are sitting straight up in the saddle or leaning away from the turn.
The primary purpose of hanging off is to REDUCE the lean angle of the bike, keeping more rubber on the road - moving the contact patch AWAY from the edges. |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 09:30 pm: |
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Thanks for the lesson Steve...
(finding the edge of your tire doesn't have to necessarily mean riding there all the time, nor does it have to mean sitting up dirt bike style to lean the bike over more to find the edge of the tire...)
Hanging off the bike all the time on the street not necessarily the best tactic in all situations...
(atleast in my questionable opinion)
Back to the 70% rule...
The street is not the racetrack
You should watch the guy that's been winning the Isle of Mann Lately...
But then again, I am sure I am not trying to school anyone here least of all a seasoned Buell racer like you...
Yes I have had racetrack education.
Yes I have had street education.
Yes, I can even read, and have read a few books on the subject.
Yes, I am sure I still have a LOT of room for improvement.
Let me reiterate... I claim to be no one and nothing, I claim to be able to teach you or jdugger or anyone else here nothing. I claim to faster than or smarter than (I am definitley smartASS er than most, however ) no one
And really, the only reason I have been bringing any of this up is for tire comparo, from my admitidly limited experience with my 1125 and tires. |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 09:34 pm: |
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Slaughter, let me reiterate, my comments were not intended in any way to refute anything you just posted, as I agree 100% with everything you said... |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 11:04 pm: |
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> Let me reiterate... I claim to be no one and nothing,
> I claim to be able to teach you or jdugger
> or anyone else here nothing. I claim to
> faster than or smarter than (I am definitley
> smartASS er than most, however: ) ) no one
It's all good, man. No harm, no foul, and I'm glad you posted up.
I think the 7/10ths rule is a good one. It leaves safety margin. I know when I ride with the group and the pace gets to the point where something like throwing a boot out to mark a road hazard downline becomes challenging, I'm riding too fast. I wave a rider or two around if I'm not already at the back, and lay back on the throttle a little. Gotta have some margin in the ride for that unexpected sand in the road or decreasing radius turn.
Everyone rides a little different, too. I can run the exact same roads with some of our club's slower riders, and they will use a lot more of the edges of their tires than I do, even though I'm riding faster in the corners. Some of it is the different kinds of tires. Some of it is riding style. I shift my shoulders to get better leverage on the bars. It's effectively the same as hanging off a little. In big sweepers, this means using less tire as you have already mentioned.
It works for me. I'm an average rider at best.
But what started this line of discussion is the almost astonishingly VAST difference in mileage from the same tires on the same bike.
6k from one rider on a tire that I only get 1500 - 2k out of! Now, double is one thing, but 4 times difference?!?!?
Said rider rides on sandy roads. Hey, I'd be upright and going slow all the time on that, too! Said rider was in the cold. OK, I'm down here in Texas and getting the tires to the point of mild feathering in February. So, a portion of the difference can easily be explained that way. My experience, limited though it is, still tells me hard/fast corners and acceleration out of them munch tires faster than anything else I know of other than stupid stunts like burnouts and wheelies.
And that was really the point of my comment... someone getting 6k out of a Corsa III is riding slowly, upright, on COLD pavement, and isn't getting excited with the throttle at all. That might be EXACTLY what's the smart thing to do in those circumstances, but it's hardly running the 1125r like she can be run. |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Monday, May 05, 2008 - 11:44 pm: |
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Said rider has been intimate with tarmac too many times.
Said rider has missing teeth to prove it.
Said rider is Not sitting up straight and going slow.
Said rider is enjoying the hell out of his 11
Said rider wants 200 dollar tires to last a while.
Said rider is currently unemployed, but 11 is paid for.
So says said rider.
Enough, I'd expect more class from a fellow Texan. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 12:10 am: |
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I wasn't taking it the wrong way - I re-read what I posted and have to admit it sounded "preachy."
Didn't mean to sound like a jerk. Sometimes I catch myself, sometimes not. |
Doerman
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 12:20 am: |
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WTF mates???
If a person named (Boris) Said enjoys a particular style of riding then Said person does so and it is nobody else's bidniss. It is much like politics really. Nobody should export their politics on me and likewise with riding style. Nobody should export that on me either. Ride your on ride and enjoy (and don't forget to repeat). |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 04:34 am: |
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No worries, it's all good, I have not really taken offense at anything, sometimes I just don't know when to back away from the keyboard... |
Dalton_gang
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 08:43 am: |
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Hey Zac,
Did you change your name again? I liked "Grandma Zac" better.
But seriously I don`t think that Jdugger meant anything although I can understand why you may have been a little insulted. Like you said before with all the miles that you put on the bike in below 50 degree weather your riding style had to be a bit reserved because the tire was always hard. I remember when most of us were having fun pulling wheelies and other stunts you were stuck with a hard tire that would only spin. |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 09:00 am: |
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Dalton,
You are right.
jdugger didn't mean harm. Whatever way to ride makes someone happy... Go for it!
I'd love to know where he's getting Corsa IIIs for $200, though. I paid $155 for the rear and $131 for the front (I think) just this week putting my 5th set (yowsa!) on the bike. If he can get a set for $200, that's a *steal*.
I'd like to see a picture of that tire at 6k. I wonder if the cold weather effectively heat cycled the tire to the point it became hard. When new, the Corsas are really soft on the edges, like "cut with your fingernail" soft. |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 09:25 am: |
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Jim - all's good, maybe I had one beer too many last night.
Although I'm not a racer, I don't feel like I should trade my 11 for a Vespa yet.
The 200 was a rough number, the rear alone lists for close to 180 and with mounting/balance it's close to 2 Benjamins for a rear at the dealership.
The side compound on the Corsa is indeed soft, even cold you can leave a mark with your thumbnail that stays for a minute or two.
The center compound IS hard, especially below 40˚, like a rock at 20˚.
I'm also running recommended pressure which is likely 10+ more psi than you are.
I posted a shot of my rear tire, but that was after a NICE burnout prior to replacing it, yes it's squared off.
Thanks for the chuckle Neal, good way to start the day, with a grin.
Z |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 10:12 am: |
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> I'm also running recommended pressure
> which is likely 10+ more psi than you are.
What pressure are you running?
I run mine at 36 -- recommended pressure. The 1125r is a relatively light bike, and I'm only about 175lbs with full gear on, so running the tire hard just makes it chatter around corners. It also keeps it from warming up much at all.
You can definitely make a tire last longer by running at a higher pressure, but if you don't have the bike and rider weight on it, it won't stick and it will chatter in rougher corners. That's a spooky feeling. |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 11:02 am: |
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Owners manual says 36r/34f.
I have what tire suggests as max, 42 f&r.
Most of my riding is flat commute right now and that stretches the tire and gas.
Planning a trip into the hills a little later this morning and will drop the pressures accordingly.
A week or two back, I dropped 4 psi on the front to 39 and lost 7-8 mpg, amazing.
The dual compound of the Corsa makes this a good plan in my eyes.
Although I liked the Metz M-3s I had on my Firebolt, there's not much way to get more miles this way.
I like to get my money's worth and I can do that with the Corsas.
Again, I'm amazed at the difference in handling and tire/fuel mileage with just a few psi difference.
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Jdugger
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 11:08 am: |
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> Again, I'm amazed at the difference in
> handling and tire/fuel mileage with just
> a few psi difference
Anyone who's ridden a bicycle with a half-flat tire will tell you it makes a huge difference in drag.
I may try running at 38 instead of 36 and see if I am comfortable with how sticky they run, and if I can get some extra mileage out of them that way. |
Hammer71
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 04:16 pm: |
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Block, I'm holding tight on the 1125 until all the bugs are out of it. Tooling around on a neat GSXR for now. |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 06, 2008 - 09:32 pm: |
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Hammer, Gixxer sounds nice. You might get a screaming deal on a low miles 1125 in a year or two! It won't be mine! Not low miles , anyways! |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Monday, May 12, 2008 - 10:37 pm: |
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Time4Tires?
Road Attacks tomorrow. |
Bob_thompson
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 10:58 am: |
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Cc, please let us know how they are on the 1125, especially handling and grip. I went to Road Attacks on my '02 M2 and what a difference they made over the stock Dunlops. I like the Pirelli's on my 1125 but not the mileage from them. Glad someone finally chose Conti's.
(Message edited by bob_thompson on May 13, 2008) |
Jpfive
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 12:43 pm: |
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My experience has been that as you get close to the end on a rear Diablo, the center layer of rubber starts to delaminate. You can see this in hairline splits that begin to appear in the rubber. I can ride through about one more tank of gas before the cord shows itself. Just happened to me with about 2700 miles on the rear.
Jack |
Bearly
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 09:36 am: |
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Oh, I feel a slap coming on. I have a rear tire on my bike at the moment like Ccryder's above. I checked the tire pressure and looked at tire before I went to the shop and there were no cords showing. The trouble is, the shop is 25 miles away. I have a new tire waiting here at the house.
Do you think I can make it home with that tire? |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 09:46 am: |
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Just keep it under 135 mph.
Take it off and save it for winter, the steel cord will give you traction on ice....
Wise-ass comments aside, take it easy, you should be OK.
Go slow, so if it does flat on ya, it's easy to control to a stop.
Z |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 10:36 am: |
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I love my road attacks. Never had them slip on me except for gravel or painted lines. |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 11:06 am: |
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I got 7-9000 miles on my "12r" with the Road Attacks. I wonder what I'll get with the 1125??? |
Dalton_gang
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 10:49 pm: |
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Don't worry, I stopped after I heard the belts slapping the license plate. It didn't look like this when I got home. We just decided to see how much damage we could do once I was home.
I do have a few questions regarding removal and re-installation of the rear wheel.
I found some info posted by Budc back on January 29th about how to tighten and re-tighten and he offered the torque values as well. What I don't know is what is the trick to getting the belt off and then back on since there isn't a spring loaded tensioner. Looks like if I compress the rear shock by pulling the swing arm and tail section towards each other with a strap it would probably help to loosen the belt quite a bit but I just thought I would ask if anybody knows another trick. Also what size allen wrench fits the rear axle?
I just ordered a pilot power and want to get the wheel removed and cleaned prior to the new arrival. |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 11:06 pm: |
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Neal:
Wheel removal is no trick.
A:Remove upper and lower belt guards
B:Remove two bolts that hold brake caliper (nest it in the swingarm pocket to clear rotor).
C:Loosen pinch bolt
D:Loosen axle (left handed threads)
E:Remove axle. Taper on axle gives enough slack to slide belt off of pulley.
Your tool kit has the adapter to loosen the axle. I think you need a 22mm socket for the adapter.
Any other questions?
Neil S.
(Message edited by ccryder on May 19, 2008) |
Dalton_gang
| | Posted on Monday, May 19, 2008 - 11:27 pm: |
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Neil,
Thanks for the info. Did you get your replacement mounted yet? |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 06:16 am: |
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Already scuffed in and heading 2 for more.
Time2Ride |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 - 10:58 pm: |
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Road Attacks are great! I've added "Ride-on" to both the ST13 and the 25r wheels. Looking to avoid the pitfalls of road debris and a little better balance is nice.
Time4Sleep |
Fresnobuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 12:37 am: |
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You do not have to remove the brake caliper. It just falls out of the caliper. Helps to have a person handy to assist. |
Bearly
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 03:34 am: |
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It was a little strange taking my old Corsa III off the wheel the other day. Got home the 25 miles with the cord showing like Dalton_Gang's tire. When I dismounting the tire it came off like a wet noodle. Just because it's a very light tire I guess. Wear the rubber off it and it just about folds over its self. I change tires for my friends and friendly Buell'ers, and I must say that the Corsa III do seem lighter than the PR 2's.
Anyone have a feel if the Road Attacks are as light as the Corsa III's? |
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