| Author | Message | ||
     Not_purple_s2 |
I'm pretty sure your Buell is made in the USA. Just not entirely of US products. Do you think it would be better if Buell was made entirely of domestic products but cost was dramatically increased? Would you pay $15,000 for a 100% American XB9SX? Would you pay $20,000 for a 100% American 1125R? Maybe you would, but not many would. I'm sure that something like that would ultimately put Buell out of business and another great American business would be lost. (Message edited by not_purple_s2 on July 20, 2007) | ||
| Nondual |
It's weird to see the diametrically opposed thread from the one I posted. I personally never care whether something is 'American made' or not. I'm looking for quality and a certain utilitarian sense of aesthetics and style. | ||
| Nicozzzz |
colt weapons systems, oakley sunglasses, moon pies, wolverine/bates boots and shoes, skillcraft products. and im sure there is more but i know those things are made 100% in the USA at least that is the claim by those companys. beretta cal.9 ;) Italy !! | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
yea and the beretta is getting replaced. We are going to some kind of .45 though im not sure who is going to be making it. | ||
| Buellboiler |
Our Mobel furnature is 100% made in the US, in southern Indiana. There are others, namely Amish brands too. My 1990 Ford Ranger was made in Kentucky and as far as I can find only the radio was made outside the US. I've rebuilt it after 200,000 miles so I've seen most of it. All of my Mustangs were built at the River Rouge plant in Michigan primarily of US sourced parts (radio & shocks being exceptions). Additional info can be found at www.usstuff.com. It seems more difficult to source cycle and bike parts from the US. It is surprising to learn how much of the Goldwings are US sourced. I like my X-1, and the profits remain here in the US. Boiler | ||
| Blake |
The profits go to the shareholders, wherever they may be. This is true of HDI, Honda, Suzuki, and any other publicly owned company. | ||
| Jimidan |
Concerning the production of spec parts for Buell, what does it really matter which political subdivision of planet Earth the companies are located in? We are all on this ball traveling through space together. Genetic coding of the human genome revealed that everyone alive today are the descendants of one woman (that is a scientific fact, not a religious belief). All of this other stuff is based on ancient tribalism, which is what is causing all of the problems right now in Iraq. Why do you guys fall for that crap too...are you no better than the Sunnis and Shitte? Certainly you can process information on a higher plane than that! (Message edited by Jimidan on July 20, 2007) | ||
| Luxor |
Blake wrote: "The profits go to the shareholders, wherever they may be. This is true of HDI, Honda, Suzuki, and any other publicly owned company." +1 This type of topic used to get me spun up until I did my homework on the subject. I consider anything imagined, thought up, designed, or invented in America to be American. At this point I could really care less where it's built, as long as the labor is skilled an well payed producing a high quality product. One thing some fail to remember is that the USA did this to itself. If you have blame to place look in the mirror. My comments come from being the owner of a R&D company that works with China to produce some of my products. If the USA was competetive we would produce here. Unfortunately the government has placed so much effort in socializing the USA by adding taxes for this and that along with rediculous union policies, that they have priced themselves out of the market. Nocozzzz, good points, but have you priced a pair of PLASTIC Oakley sunglasses. I am sorry, $200.00 for 3 pieces of plastic? Absurd if you ask me. My comments above do NOT mean I have to like it, but I must roll with it or die. | ||
| Spiderman |
Genetic coding of the human genome revealed that we everyone alive today all the descendants of one woman Link to an article? I'd like to read it. | ||
| Jimidan |
If the USA was competetive we would produce here. Unfortunately the government has placed so much effort in socializing the USA by adding taxes for this and that along with rediculous union policies, that they have priced themselves out of the market. Are you sure that is true? I don't know. If you listen to the companies themselves, they are telling a different story. There are a lot of countries that have much higher taxes than the US, offer universal health care (much like our medicare/medicade (socialized medicine) to all of their citizens and still have an industrial base. So, what these US companies are saying is that it really is because the rest of the world is willing to work for much less than Americans, and that employers are being raped by health care and insurance companies for the health care costs of their employees. They say we need to provide universal healthcare and it will alleviate much of the need for flight of corporations to overseas. Like I said, I don't really know...I am just listening. | ||
| Luxor |
Buellboiler Wrote "My 1990 Ford Ranger was made in Kentucky and as far as I can find only the radio was made outside the US." Ahh, not to be argumentative here, but the 1990 Ranger was designed by Mazda. The last so-called-American Ranger was produced in 1984. Right back to my point. It's a world market now, so we better get off the porch and run with the pack. | ||
| Spiderman |
Mazda is owned by Ford... and the same plant in Michigan that now pumps out the Mustang (they moved from Rouge) also pumps out the Mazda 6 | ||
| Luxor |
Jimidan, you do have a valid point there. The major difference is that the other socialized countries don't really have insurance companies and lawyers sucking it dry. No third handout so-to-speak. In the USA,T he people that really need the money, such as employees don't get it, or what they do get is a very small percent. I hope you understand what I just wrote. I could go on-and-on about this but I won't. I really would like to have my products made here, just way too expensive. (Message edited by luxor on July 20, 2007) | ||
| Luxor |
Spiderman wrote "Mazda is owned by Ford... and the same plant in Michigan that now pumps out the Mustang (they moved from Rouge) also pumps out the Mazda 6" Exactly, World market.  | ||
| Hootowl |
All related to one woman? If you believe the Bible, we are. If you believe in evolution, we are too. At some point, there was the first homo sapien. We all sprang from him or her. There have also been studies done that indicate there have been at least one genetic bottleneck event that reduced the population of humans to around 1000 on the entire planet. Research also reveals that a blond headed Belgian and an Australian aborigine have more in common genetically than a dog and her direct offspring. We are not genetically diverse. Sorry, I can't cite references, but I saw it on the Discovery Channel(TM)! | ||
| Jimidan |
Spidey: there are many others, but here is one site http://www.colorado.edu/MCDB/MCDB2150Fall/notes00/ L0035.html See Eve. | ||
| Jimidan |
There is some researchers who contend that the "bottleneck" was the near extinction of humans as a result of a massive magma lake volcano (much like the 40 sq. mile one that has recently heaved the surface up 5'-6' in Yellowstone) exploding in the Indian Ocean about 65,000 years ago, which deposited so much ash into the atmosphere that it cause a 'nuclear winter' condition. There are sediment records that show this eruption deposited 4' of sediment 4,000 miles from the explosion site. I guess that would about do it. This took the human population down to 2,000 +/- people. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Let's see just how ridiculous we can get with this what-made-where thing. Where was the bauxite ore used to make the aluminum parts mined? What about the petroleum based plastic parts? What about the iron ore used to make the steel parts? Before you say that iron ore could have come from the USA, was it really the USA when that iron ore was formed? By the way, did you hear that Mickey Mouse left Minne? He heard she was f---ing Goofy.  Just like this thread! G. | ||
| Luxor |
Gregtonn wrote: "Let's see just how ridiculous we can get with this what-made-where thing. Where was the bauxite ore used to make the aluminum parts mined? What about the petroleum based plastic parts? What about the iron ore used to make the steel parts? Before you say that iron ore could have come from the USA, was it really the USA when that iron ore was formed? By the way, did you hear that Mickey Mouse left Minne? He heard she was f---ing Goofy. Just like this thread!" Classic stuff . I guess the argument can go on and on and on. I agree with what you've said 100%. | ||
| Unibear12r |
Sorry guys but the best that M DNA charting has been able to tell so far is that with the exception of a large group in central US all native americans sprang from six women. Also when modern man kind spread out of Africa there were in total but a thousand or so people alive. We were virtually extinct. Off topic a bit but relics from us east coast dig sites now seem to indicate man made it here from europe long before any asians/pacific islanders. Still being debated that is. | ||
| Rainman |
Um, what we were talking about? | ||
| 45_degrees |
Luxor- Sorry, but you are wrong about the Mazda/Ford trucks. The last real Mazda truck made was the 1993 B2600. After that, all Mazda trucks were re-badged genuine Ford Rangers(B3000, B4000, etc.). They still are to this day. Completely different and very FORD front suspension systems. My friend's '88 Ranger is all Ford. My brother's '89 Mazda was all Mazda. | ||
| Luxor |
45_Degrees wrote: "Luxor- Sorry, but you are wrong about the Mazda/Ford trucks. The last real Mazda truck made was the 1993 B2600. After that, all Mazda trucks were re-badged genuine Ford Rangers(B3000, B4000, etc.). They still are to this day. Completely different and very FORD front suspension systems. My friend's '88 Ranger is all Ford. My brother's '89 Mazda was all Mazda." I guess I should have been more specific. The last real brand seperation between Ford and Mazda was 1984. So, no, not really wrong. | ||
| Buellboiler |
I can say extreme authority that my 1990 Ranger is not a Mazda! The bed even interchanges with the 1984 Ranger. Many of you know more about Buells than I do, but I will spar with anyone here concerning Ford products. Jimi: Please tell the family that just lost their job that they need to process information on a higher plane. Jobs that are retained in the US help to feed and power the US. Profits generated by a company go to more than just the shareholders. I can say that more millions than I care to admit go directly to our CEO. Some even trickles down to me.  | ||
| 45_degrees |
Buellboiler is right. Mazda had no design influence with the Ranger. Mazda only eventually got a re-badged truck. The '86-'93 B-series is no way like a Ranger at all. Sure, the Ranger may have foreign transmissions, even some with Mazda units, but it's still a Ford design and Ford owns Mazda anyway, like has been said. No Ranger was ever designed by Mazda, so you are still wrong Luxor. In the '70s, before the first small Ranger in 1983, the small Ford trucks were re-badged Mazda trucks, but Ford never got the rotary-powered version. They were four-cylinder variant. 1990 Ranger = Ford design. (Message edited by 45 degrees on July 20, 2007) | ||
| Luxor |
45_Degrees, I conceed. I, for some reason put the shoe on the other foot, confusing Mazda design for Ford. Still doesn't change the fact that they are/were in bed together BEFORE Ford purchased Mazda. Still right back to a World market though!! | ||
| Luxor |
Buellboiler wrote: "Jimi: Please tell the family that just lost their job that they need to process information on a higher plane. Jobs that are retained in the US help to feed and power the US. Profits generated by a company go to more than just the shareholders. I can say that more millions than I care to admit go directly to our CEO. Some even trickles down to me." Ahh, and my company that uses China to build small parts at a reasonable cost so I, the American business owner can pay my employees MORE, because certain items cost less to produce outside USA borders. See how this can become a very chase the tail argument? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
We are steadily moving away from an industrial based economy to a services and technology based economy. The is not different than the migration from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy. If you are on the technology, R&D, and services end of the economy, the future outlook looks great. If you are on the industrial end of the economy, the future doesn't look very promising unless you specialize. I did some work with a specialized hydroforming and machining company that does a significant amount of work for NASA. They made the statement that basic machining operations are becoming less competitive in market place. They specialized in an area there there was less competition and less supply to meet the demand. It allowed them to compete in a shrinking market. The market is what the market is. Buyers make the choices with their dollars. New industries and new companies are created every day to provide new products and services that never before existed. There was once a time before iPods, eBay, and cell phones. Who knows what the next invention of a good or service will be. My bet is, though, that it will be created by an American. | ||
| Court |
It's a WORLD economy and a damn good one. I look at my cell phone bill for the last two weeks and I find Holland, Italy, Great Britain, UAE and South Africa. Toss in the e-mails that Spidey and I have been trading and you can add Canada and Japan to that list. Buells are in demand by people from all around the world and are engineered by people from all around the world and manufacturers by folks in WI with parts from all around the world. The are, in my mind, the best bike in the world made from the best parts in the world. Fairly simple to us esoterians. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I hear esotarians make really good spicy food! |
