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Featheredfiend
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It was my understanding that Harley, in cooperation with Wixom, had concluded that long fairing are fast fairing. This was during the iron XR era. It was suprising to see the spartan fairing affixed to the VR. Harley's eight year stint at roadracing was disappointing. I don't see anything at http://mototuneusa.com that would have added to a failed venture.

feathered
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Bigj
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 01:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EBear,
Glad to see you turned out okay. Get well soon!
bigj
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Fogcity
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The exhaust seems like a real simple (or obvious) thing to overlook, unless it realy doesn't matter. How could those race folk miss that?
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Stevep
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 02:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jody S.,

Try the link to American Sport Bike
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

How could those race folk miss that?




They couldn't find the podium either! (Just kidding, Pascal found it twice)
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Al_Lighton
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ebear,
Bummer 'bout the ankle, dude. And during peak dirt riding season too! Get well soon so we can go to hungry valley again.

Sounds like, all things considered, you made out pretty good. That Forerunner would've hurt!

Al
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Eeeeek
Posted on Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

eBear:

Heal fast.

Vik
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Jima4media
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From everything that I have read about aerodynamics, the guy at mototuneusa is right. The VR-1000 fairing, and almost everyother Superbike fairing is less than optimal, they are designed that way to make them less aerodynamically effective and more cost effective for highway use, according to Craig Vetter.

Remember is was the Vetter company, and not Craig Vetter that did the first fairing for the RR1000, which is pretty slippery, aerodynamically.

http://www.craigvetter.com/pages/Streamliner.html

http://AmericanSportBikeNight.inspiredsites.net/stories/storyReader$287

Next, the exhaust stream does upset the air flow behind the bike. Bikes are almost never tested in a wind tunnel with the motor running at full speed.

I think he is also right about the exhaust output not being the same color. One side rich and one side lean. The Magneti Marelli ECM probably didn't adjust the fuel injection to each cylinder independently.

Finally, it was the lack of horsepower that did in the VR-1000 compared to competitive bikes. Every year it was down 20-50HP, and that was apparent at fast tracks like Daytona, Elkhart Lake, and Willow Springs.

Jim
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Sparky
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is it just me being antsy or is Fuell Nov/Dec late?

Sparky
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Please be aware of spam from something called

http://www.usedhawgparts.com/
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Ncbueller
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Buellers:

There is a "Screaming Eagle X1" for sale on ebay.

It has had head work only, but puts out a supposed 117 Hp.

Buyer Beware
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Turnagain
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Since José couldn't contain himself (what else is new ) and let the cat out of the bag and in case you missed it over on the Quick Board and you want to read some more Buell related stuff, check out Randy's experience as the 'Slay the Dragon' winner:


run on, Steve(2)
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Buelldriver
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

KcBill, Why don't you drop by sunday and we'll get the bike pictures and post them.
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X1glider
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I should file suit against all the TX Buell dealers because they didn't participate in that contest. That bike was mine!
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Anonymous
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jima4,

Actually neither Craig Vetter nor Vetter Company had anything to do with the RR1000 fairing. It was a street adaptation of the RW750 fairing, and was sculpted by Erik Buell with a little help from a guy named Marty Meidl in a body shop in northern Illinois...
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Edwards Makes First U.S. Appearance For Aprilia Friday In Long Beach
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Nevco1
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose...

Sorry the V-Rod doesn't do anything for me. However, the Super Tracker you posted a week or so ago is still hanging all over my house, garage and basement. I gots to have one!!! Either that or the V-Rod Streetfighter illustrated in Cycle World earlier this year.
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Anonymous
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 12:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Black is just the start... I was at Harley PDC this summer... Imagine what this motor on a different chassis would be like. And...anodized aluminum had been done as well... That is also where I saw the first XB9S cut away model, blue in color. Way too cool.
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Nevco1
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 02:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well. Pascal Picotte proved it was a real contender on the track and that was back when the only country they could get it registered in was Poland. Hmmm...Does that mean we should all get international licenses and register our bikes there?

Still remember how asinine the pit crew looked when he would pull in. Must have been too many "Engineers" and not enough "Wrenches." LMAO Sorry Blake, you could well be the exception to this rule.

Seriously, should that engine ever be introduced in a sporting configuration, I will by it. And if they come up with two versions, SuperTracker and StreetFighter, I will by both. No questions asked other than perhaps a multi-bike discount.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 07:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You mean these:


Cycle World VRSF Streetfighter
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Kevyn
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 09:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...recently read that the VR had and a tendency to raise the front wheel with too liberal a throttle hand, enough to keep the riders off the pace of better handling bikes that had smoother power delivery...

The thought of a V-Rod based street bike with a more sporting geometry is certainly interesting. Not that I would part with my S2T or SS, but it's interesting, very interesting.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bob,

What? I put my name in the hat for the slay the dragon contest at Stubbs. Are you telling me they never turned in any of that stuff? No wonder I didn't win.

Oh, and you are dead wrong. That bike was MINE!
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Nevco1
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose,

Thanks!!! I tossed the issue of CW with the Streetfighter in it and have been trying to get a copy ever since. Now that I see the two together, I definitely prefer the SuperTracker, but would still want both in my stable.

Have a great day!!!
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X1glider
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff, 3 of the Houston dealers didn't even consider participating. Stubbs is a little far for me and the times I've been there, they've been useless. I've heard that dealers in other parts of the country pulled out even thought they showed initial interest. Demo rides are scary to dealers. Europe seems eager enough to hand someone the keys.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Whatever
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Turnagain,

That is too damn cool ! I never even heard of the contest up here... maybe I had my head buried in the sand... did they offer it in Wisconsin ?

Charlotte
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MAN. . . . WHAT A REVIEW!
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If that review hit a wider market magazine the dealers would be swamped with people begging test rides.
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Jima4media
Posted on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anonymous,

I agree that Erik Buell designed the RW750 and that lead to the RR1000.

Rex Marsee of Vetter commissioned Erik to build the RR1000 to show that Vetter was not just a fairing company. That is why it says Vetter on the side of the first RR1000, or so says Kevin Cameron from Cycle Magazine, and Dave Gess in his history pages.

My original point was Vetter and Rex Marsee was involved and not Wixom as had been stated earlier.

My other point wasn't who did what on the bike, but that it works as well as it does, and better in fact, than any Superbike design. That is the reason Richard Nallin drove one to 208 MPH at Bonneville.

Of course with sufficient horsepower (RC211V), you can overcome any design flaws.

Another point I'd like to make is that these aerodynamic design facts have been known since the 1930's.

Not Anonymous Jim
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