| Author | Message | ||
     Cyvaquero |
Is it worth or should I go for the White 2002 X1 for $1000 more. | ||
| Dyna |
Both of those prices are nutz. You would be a lot better off getting a new XB9s for $7K. The X1 isnt exactly known as being the most reliable bike Buell ever produced. The XB's are miles ahead of it in terms of reliability. | ||
| Hootowl |
The 2002 X1 is reliable. The 99 can be made so if all the recalls are done, the chain tensioner is replaced and you throw a 2002 shock on it. If it was 5K, it would be worth it, unless you're willing to pay for the carbon fiber, then it might be. I agree with Dyna though. For that kind of money, a 9S would be the right choice. | ||
| Bartimus |
Welcome to the Badweb! Sounds like your purchasing from a dealership. Personally, I'm a fan of the Tubers. I own 3 Buells and have to say, I disagree with the reliability issues. I bought my first '95 S2 for over $10,000.00 brand new, but it has gone 145,000 trouble free miles. It has truly been a wonderful bike. So much so, I have purchased another, '95 S2. (can you tell I like the S2's?) I've also recently bought a '98 S1W. This bike is just balls to the walls fun. It is truly a hoot to ride. Both bikes cost me around $5000 each, and have very low miles. Private sales, too me, seem the way to find the best deals, especially here on the badweb. Good folks reside here. But for the price your willing to spend, I think that the XB would be your best bet, price-wise. It is brand new, comes with a warranty, and is up to date with the technology. Final note: Beauty and value are in the eye of the beholder. How bad do you want it, and how much do your really love that bike?  I think I would still pay $10,000 for a mint, 0 miles 1995 S2... But that's just me. | ||
| Cu_chulann |
Personally I would not buy a XB 9.Had a test ride on one and found it lacking in power compared to my 01 model year X1. 01 model year X1,s as mentioned have most upgrades as standard.Mine is an early 01,and still had paper rocker gaskets,which both failed as per usual milage 5k and 9k approx.Late 01 model year bikes have gasket upgrade.The bike has been reliable except for rocker gaskets and a sheared exhaust header stud.I found the handling a bit sweeter on the XB.Personally I do not like the aluminium spar frame,and if I were ever to consider buying an XB it would have to be a 12.However every one has their own preference.Test ride all types mentioned and then decide. | ||
| Cyvaquero |
Thanks everyone for the inputs. I guess I hould expand a bit more. I am 6' and 240lbs. I have been riding for 7 years. My first bike was a '98 Honda PC800 (a 750lb. Sport Tourer), followed by a purchase of a '92 Fat Boy (I was living in southern Arizona, who the hell needs a second car). In my first year of riding I put 21,000 miles on the Honda. Once I got the HD the Honda became my commuter and the HD was my evening-weekend bike. Once I moved back east I traded the Honda for a second car and kept the HD until my divorce. That was two summers ago, Last summer was spent on deployment in the Balkans from which I got home last month. Needless to say with the weather finally warming up in the NE and bikes out of storage I am getting the itch normally associated with your more non-lethal STDs. I am currently conflicted on whether to go with a 1200 Sporty Custom or give sport bikes a try. | ||
| Court |
>>>>I think I would still pay $10,000 for a mint, 0 miles 1995 S2... But that's just There is still something about the S-2. I've wrangled on for up to 22 hours non-stop, making the first appearance of a Buell at most the countries landmarks and can't shake my fasination with the S-2. I'd suggest that other afficianados suffer the same affinity. Ever seen a "multiple Buell owner" who didn't, after trying them all, end up adding an S-2 to the stable....Wilson, Andrews, Higgins, a snaggle of aging Texicans... ad infibuellium | ||
| Outrider |
Am still in "Deep Lust" with my Y2K X1. After reading the Knowledge Vault and X1 Files, I simply had the dealer install the upgraded parts to prevent the then common failures. The upgrades didn't cost much as Buell has a very consumer friendly price structure on their parts. I even pick up spare parts at the Dealer Tent Sales for my bike for pennies on the dollar just to insure I have a supply on hand should the need arise (read: I dump the thing). Check out the mods posted in my profile. The total bill was "cheap at twice the price" and I have a bike that both fits me (6'2", 200#) and runs the twisties better than any bike I have ever owned. I don't find the prices you mentioned that high when you compare them to the NADA Guides and Kelly Blue Book. Especially considering the instant "classic bike" status of a tuber, not to mention the customizing potential. Additionally, I have a feeling that anyone that invested that much in Carbon Fiber on a 1999 X1 has also taken great pride in all the other aspects of the bike and it may be a very good deal, especially if you can dicker the price a bit. Just my opinion. The XB's are great bikes as well. In particular the XB12's. Lots of fresh thinking went into the design of that bike. I simply prefer a bike with a little more room for the long distance rides and luggage capacity. I can live large with a good sized tank and tail bag all season long if I know where the laundromats are. Good luck with your decision. | ||
| Chainsaw |
CONFLICT RESOLUTION: Buy both! I love my Sporty, I just wish it had the balls and handling of the Buell. I love my Buell, I just wish it was a bit more comfortable on longer rides, like the Sporty. I would suggest a demo of the bikes you are considering. I commute year-round on both. I prefer the HD for distance touring and the Buell for day trips in the Rockies. Decisions, decisions...good luck!  | ||
| Dyna |
the instant "classic bike" status of a tuber Come on Bill!! An X1 as a classic? Maybe a pristine S1 will achieve that status but no way will the X1. And the Nada & Kelly book are real good indicators of the worth of an X1 either. Seems like the going price for one is right around the $5000-5000 mark. The XB may be a smaller bike, but it is definitely a much better bike. | ||
| Jrh |
Did'nt Buell sell a limited edition 99 X1 with carbon fiber bodywork?Like Eeeeks that he went through more than 1 sets of? | ||
| Easyflier |
"The XB may be a smaller bike, but it is definitely a much better bike." - Dyna Captured for posterity. I would like to see them build one on a bigger frame, which I think is possible without screwing up the bike, for bigger riders such as yourself. I've never seen you on an XB but I think you would be a little cramped. Ok for the track but too tight for any real road miles. Would also make a nice platform for an ST model if they ever decide to build one. | ||
| Cyvaquero |
Let me add more info. This is a brand new, limited edition (#56(4?) of 250) factory Carbon Fiber X1 being sold at the dealership. | ||
| Steveford |
Chainsaw is correct: you need both of them. With a race kit. Today would be good. | ||
| Ocbueller |
Buy it!! I don't think you'll regret it. SteveH | ||
| Jrh |
I've never owned a 99 X1,but the impressions i've formed over 3 years or so of reading about Buells on these websites is,stay away from them,even with all the recalls done,that was the 1st year for the fuel injection system.This site had a Buell"satisfied-not satisfied poll" and the X1,especially 1999 i believe was among the worst.If you do a search in the Knowledge Vault you might be able to find some of the posts.You're not hearing from those people,possibly because they've moved on to other brands by now. In my opinion Buell did'nt completely scrap the entire line of tube frame bikes for no reason.The XB line is proving to be MUCH more reliable overall(so far),but since you are a big guy,they may to small for you. Just my opinion. | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
If it's my money, I'm going with the X1 tuber over an XB any day. I could have bought whatever I liked, but that Millenium X1 is just too damn pretty to pass up. With the race kit, and replacing the paper head gaskets, it's just perfect... Mike M | ||
| Hootowl |
There are some small differences between the 99's and the rest of the X1's. Second gear is different. They changed the lifters. The rest are simple bolt-ons. The map in the stock ECM on a 99 can easily be updated to the latest version for free by just about any dealer. Kind of pointless though, as most people scrap the stock exhaust and put on a race ECM. After the race brain is in, all the FI tubers are the same. So an easily modified 99X1 has basically only two differences between itself and the later models. (I mentioned them above.) If you can pick up a 99 cheap, go for it. I like the tank cover better anyway | ||
| Cyvaquero |
UPDATE!! Picking it up tonight. Took a Sporty 1200 out for test drive on Sat. but just couldn't shake the curiosity of having trying a sport bike especially at that price. If don't dig it I can always trade it in (more likely I'll just pay it off and get a cruiser) First things first, after a month I'm going to ditch the airbox and get a Forcewinder. Where are people getting the carbon fiber tank lower trim pieces I've seen on bikes with the airbox removed | ||
| Jrh |
Cyvaquero, glad to hear you're getting it,after reading Hootowls last post i think my opinion i'd formed about the 99s was wrong and the injection problems(if there) can be taken care of like he says,so i,m sorry for the negativity. I think several of this sites sponsors sell those tank trim pieces. Have fun on your new bike | ||
| Outrider |
Cyvaquero...Good Choice!!! Pretty soon you will know why I own both an 2000 X1 and a 2003 Wide Glide.  | ||
| Dyna |
Pretty soon you will know why I own both an 2000 X1 and a 2003 Wide Glide. Because you havent managed to find a buyer yet for the X?  | ||
| Steveford |
American Sport Bike has the carbon fiber trim pieces. When Buell first designed the DDFI, their initial choice for the ECM was nixed by the EPA and so became the Race ECM. You really want to get one of these and have someone familiar with the Buells reset the TPS. If you need the part number, I'll get it for you tomorrow when I'm at work. In the Links Section of this site, you'll find the X1 Files (if you haven't already) which will help to keep you dead broke for years to come. Congratulations on your new bike, Steve Ford | ||
| Fatpony |
I've got both 02 X1W and 03 XB9R. All race kitted, ecm's, airfilters, 12 airbox on XB9, D&D on X1 and Drummer on Bolt. IF I got rid of one, it'd have to be the X1. Why? The XB IS faster, handles better and seems to fit my 73", 200 lb, 50 yo ass better. The X1 draws more looks, and seems to have more grunt. But.... my bikes are like my guns, can't seem to let any go. Got five bikes and ain't owning up to the blasters. God Bless America. Mike | ||
| Cyvaquero |
Picked it up last night and put it through the paces on a nice 100 mile circuit I have here in Happy Valley. Still in break-in phase so was not able to wind it out on the interstate phase. All I got to say is the bike likes to go. My initial impression was not all that great, I was running her at what felt like a comfortable pace in the middle of her powerband in third. Then I looked at the speedo and saw how fast I was moving. Granted this bike sits higher than anything I've ridden before, but it just felt solid at speeds and revs where my previous bikes were laboring. That said, the last leg of my run last night brought me through State College, PA (where I live). This is a bike that obviously does not like being throttled for city street riding. While low speed handling and acceleration is fine, I was riding the clutch just to keep it under the speed limit. And just as I had read, 25 - 35 are in a very rough area on the tach. No worries though, as anyone can attest, Central PA is largely rural riding. Should have my break-in finished by the weekend, just in time for a little road trip to the Poconos on Saturday to meet up with a bro. Thanks to everyone who helped me with my decision (positive and negative). I look forward to being a member of the Buell family and hope to see you all out there. | ||
| Hootowl |
Yep. The 99 will stumble down low with the original map. Have the dealer make sure you're running the latest fuel map. It makes a huge difference. | ||
| 99x1 |
"And just as I had read, 25 - 35 are in a very rough area on the tach." Shouldn't be! AFAIK, the ECM only runs closed loop between 2500 and 3500 (uses the O2 sensor) - so I'm guessing this is were it was designed to run. I consistently try to keep mine between 2500 - 3500, short shift and keep the rev's down. (personally don't think these engines were initially designed to do 7K rpm) "..I was riding the clutch.." I also do this all the time. I start in 2nd gear, and slip the clutch all the way through the intersection (the air intake makes a neat sound, and the acceleration can easily be modulated with the clutch). I took Police Slow School training a couple of years ago (through BMW!) - and they taught holding the throttle steady and slipping the clutch for all slow speed stuff. They said that with a wet clutch, they have had no problems - and clutch plates are a lot cheaper then tires / belts. I'm also currently running Michelin Pilot tires, and they don't seem to like first gear corners - (the bike feels like it wants to fall over), so I generally slip the clutch in second. Tire wear is quite reduced when using second gear for launching... | ||
| Steveford |
If you're in the Pinnochios, try to stop by Schoch's h-d/Buell in Snydersville so I can admire your bike. | ||
| Koz5150 |
I do a lot of city riding and found that a 26 tooth front sprocket made a WORLD of difference. It will cost a little over $100 but it smoothed out my city riding immencely. I also found it has better acceleration and will still easily do over 100 mph. Email me for instalation tips I had the opportunity to buy a 99 X1 carbon fiber. I probably would have bought it exceptthe M2 had more room for the wife on the back. I thought it looked awesome though, congrats!!! edited by koz5150 on April 21, 2004 | ||
| Cyvaquero |
Thanks for the tip 99X1, I'll try that on the way home tonight. Steveford, weather permitting I'll do that, count on it. Kind of disappointed on the lack of events this weekend, guess I'll have to make my own. Let see, Poconos on Saturday, and take Rt 289 from Rt. 220 east of Jersey Shore north to Wellsboro on Sunday. There ya go not so hard. Anyway I'll put up a pic sometime before the weekend. (It's hard to photograph while riding, and too dark when I get home) Hehe! The funnest thing is the looks this bike draws, there aren't many Buells on the road here. I only know one other person who owns one and he never rides his (A crime that should be punishable by having squids do burnouts on your genitalia, just my opinion). People just don't know what to think of it. But the chicks dig it and I look good sitting on it in front of Taco Bell and that is all that matters.  (Just Kidding!) | ||
| Steveford |
Guy, Nice meeting you even if I was getting kind of frazzled at work. Stoopid Harlees. I forgot to mention that you want to put in the latest rocker box gaskets and the primary cover gasket as well when it's down for upgrades. Really pretty bike which you should sell to me as I probably need it. |
