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     Blake |
In the interest of informing folks of what is going on and who the liars are. Originally from the thread posted on Saturday, since lost due to our server crash... Buell Motorcycle Forum » Quick Board » More fraud at healthcare meetings (non political) Johnnymceldoo Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 03:36 pm: Life doesn’t give you gifts like this that often folks. I cant wait to see olberman and kevin arnald talk about this on pmsnbc. http://urbangrounds.com/2009/08/13/roxana-mayer/ Its amazing this woman can get elected in Texas....oh wait thats right the world IS upside down. Ft_bstrd Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 06:27 pm: "We are like so poor, almost non-existent at treating preventative care." Crusty Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 07:05 pm: This is a far cry from "Non-Political" You should run for office. Blake Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 07:14 pm: Nevrenuf Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 09:37 pm: blake, a former supervisor sent me that one but because i was told that i shouldn't believe everything that gets sent on the internet that maybe he could be wrong. there was one part in that audio clip that was quite eerie as to the fact that he's been dead for how long now. Oldog Posted on Saturday, August 15, 2009 - 10:28 pm: Blake thank you for posting that clip, We need folks like him in office. The comment about Madison certainly seems prophetic.. | ||
| Buellgrrrl |
Blake, looks like you been hangin' at Kos. Did you make Yearly Kos last weekend? | ||
| Court |
Hahahaha . . . I keep trying to count the number of stories the administration is telling. Kathleen Sebelius struggled to get it right in Kansas . . . go national has not helped her game. Easy to see right through these folks . . .the answers change with the venue. Where are our real leaders? | ||
| P_squared |
"The emperor has no clothes" or, in light of the "empty suit" style: "The clothes have no emperor"  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
You want socialized full care medical?... go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars. | ||
| Doerman |
"Healthcare is a basic right, not just a privilege for the few." That's directly from a bumper sticker I saw this weekend. Sigh, how did it come to this ... this massive ignorance of the framer's intention for the country. Do we need to drill into the dipstick's head that the Declaration of Independence guaranteed: "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". The rest, I'll take care of myself. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Let the record show sheila jackson lee is the same one who started talking on her cell phone during a town hall meeting while one of her constituents was voicing her opinion in rather calm respectful manner. sheila reminds of those people always on their cell phones as if its a status symbol for them. | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Johnnymceldoo... Well, it was from the White House!! Do You expect Her to listen to a constituent or Her REAL bosses!?! I mean c'mon now.... | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Anybody that things socialized medicine is a great idea should look at the military system/tricare/vet admin hospitals. govt administrated health care doesnt work, they are only an estimated 1.8 years behind on claims, benefits, and payments.... | ||
| Reindog |
Cityxslicker, What is your source? | ||
| Hootowl |
My sister is a disabled vet. Going to the VA is an all day event for her. Most of it is spent waiting in various lines and then explaining to the young inexperienced doctor all of her medical history because they rotate docs through so fast they don't have time to learn anyone's history. Each doc she sees gives her a different answer. No such thing as a personal physician in the military. | ||
| Hootowl |
Military medicine nearly killed me. It's a long story. | ||
| Court |
I had a wisdom tooth taken out by a Naval Corpsman . . . next time I'd do it my self with pliers. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Roadcouch, her boss IS the constituant not the bozo in the white house. the elected are NOT the elite they think they are. The problem in this country is that we have given our country away to the narcissists who believe they know better for us than we do. It's time we got it right and grab hold of the stick and start SWINGIN IT! And Hootowl, don't tell me you've never had to explain your malady to a pimple faced PA with an empty file folder, who wouldn't know your name if the nurse hadn't told them as they walked into the exam room. I had to fire three doctors for that very reason, the same for my wife. The problem has since been solved with the relationship with my doctor of two years. I never see a PA...ever! My doctor knows me and has studied my medical history carefully, and I am proud to call him my friend. BTW he is also the local VA doctor. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
did you watch Obama on his speech two days ago ? those are his numbers. (I have a friend that works doing bail out VA claims, they feel really good about it when they hit the 70 day roll; meaning they are only 70 days from the date they receive the claim to a pay, pend, deny status) On a personal note, I have 15 years doing Medical claims, High Dollar Audit, Contingent Care, Family Estate Planning, and HIPAA compliance. I still have my licenses for sales in Health, Life, Disability and PreNeed. And a Bachelors in Soviet/Marxist economics from the UofW Jackson School. I think I have a very unique first hand experience with how things DONT work when the govt gets involved. but if they persist in their silliness, I will make a MINT. | ||
| Roadcouch98 |
Justfrfun- I know this. The problem is they don't know this or do not accept this. (Message edited by roadcouch98 on August 18, 2009) | ||
| Hootowl |
Jstfrfun I'm glad you have had a good experience, and I'm glad that your personal doc is also the local VA doc. But how long has he been the VA doc, and how long will he be the VA doc? And how often does he see the same patients at the VA clinic or hospital? My sister sees a different "pimply faced" DOCTOR, not PA nearly every time she goes in. Personally, when I go to the doctor now (no longer in socialized medicine) I see the same doctor I've been seeing for several years. He knows my history. I don't have to explain it to him. When I was in the military, I did not have a personal physician, I got whoever happened to be on duty. I don't think there's a correlation between the military medical system and the proposed Obamacare, but the VA is just like the military system, and it is failing most of its customers. This is from MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and that of MY FAMILY. I don't pretend to speak for you and yours. My sister has an infection in her spine. When the pain gets real bad she goes in for treatment. The "pimply faced" doctor prescribes an over the counter pain killer and sends her on her way. They are just trying to move as many patients as possible. There is no health "care" at the VA, only services rendered from what I've seem. She has to demand that the doctor actually READ her medical record. This results in many more hours in line waiting to be seen again by the new doctor that just came on shift and she has to start all over again. OK, rant off. It just pisses me off. | ||
| Atoms |
Personally, when I go to the doctor now (no longer in socialized medicine) I see the same doctor I've been seeing for several years. He knows my history. I don't have to explain it to him. When I was in the military, I did not have a personal physician, I got whoever happened to be on duty. This is exactly what medical care is like now for most people I know in the USA - including myself. We are at the mercy of the insurance companies. When we are laid off and get a new job and if we are lucky enough to get a job with insurance, the new plan probably does not include our previous doctor(s) in "the network." I have not seen the same doctor more than once since I was a child. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
every plan, except the HMO Co-ops (the newest form of silliness they are pushing) has an opt out payer only option. Meaning if you want the same doctor, with the same staff, you can PAY for it and get it. More and more clinics and physicians are leaving provider networks specifically because they dont like being dictated patient clientelle, fixed price structure, or insurance payment cycles. Court is right, CASH always finds a way. (and in a system totally controlled by govt, that cash will be in bribes and kick backs for non medical services to secure 'health' care) | ||
| Jstfrfun |
I watched "Sico" last nite again, While I'm not really a "fan" of Mr Moore the employees of the system raise a lot of questions. It's as if the medical care system is directed at using peoples problems as a source of income, and Nixon and Mr. Kaiser started this ugly thing rolling. There's no way of fixing it, just different ways of bilking those who pay for and need medical care. | ||
| Hootowl |
I suspect that if the cost of malpractice insurance was not so high (because of ambulance chasing lawyers) that the cost of medical care would go down, more people could afford medical insurance, more people would be insured, and then the hospitals wouldn't have to charge me $20 for an asprin because 9/10 people they sell one to end up not paying for it. Sorry, I had a little rant left in me. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Heres really the only way this pig moves on its own. It should be like natl flood insurance. You live by the water, you pay the premium. If you want nationalized health care you pay the premium. If you have your own plan, and like it keep it. If you are non citizen, there is no national coverage care for you on this system, and no access to the care. (puts a big dent in illegal immigration) Full payment up front, at time of services (insurance will reimburse you direct) Kill Medicare, Medicaid, Social security, do away with the redundancies in VA,Public Health, DSHS, and put the money back in the pocket of working people. go to a flat tax system, kill off the IRS, go to digital currency, kill off the Treasury, And finally, require all public elected officials to get the same nat'l care that the public does..... I know if I had the money back, that they have been stealing from my paycheck, it would definitely make more of a positive change in my own life. Its called responsibility, and it starts at home. Keep the gov't out of my shiat. | ||
| Sifo |
So does anybody believe the talk about the need for competition among insurance companies as justification for government health care? I'd like an explanation of how that is supposed to work. It seems to me that there are already a large number of insurers that you can choose from for your health care insurance. Same goes for the employer when they choose an insurer for their employee program. Isn't that a perfect example of competition? What good would it do to have just one more option available? Is that really going to change the competition among the insurance companies? Of course it wouldn't, unless the new insurer is going to compete with an unfair advantage. And that is the problem with government provided health care. It will compete unfairly and destroy the private insurance companies. Am I missing something? | ||
| P_squared |
Am I missing something? Nope. | ||
| Blake |
Cityslicker for rebel leader! | ||
| Blake |
I'm about to rebel. Who's with me? | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
All that hates gonna burn you up inside, boy. It keeps me warm at night | ||
| Hootowl |
nice. I loved that movie. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I would never lead it, I believe a government that governs best is the one that governs least. Funny I seem to remember reading that somewhere..... | ||
| Nevrenuf |
i'm in the system with a 40% disability from when i was in the navy. i only went after it a few years ago because i had no idea what i could have done when i got out while on a reserve tin can. my rights weren't very well explained. but when i did get into the system it only took about 4 months and i've had the same dr. for the whole time and don't have any problem getting my medication. but that is here in tampa. i have heard horror stories in other places and also seen them first hand. not all va's are created equally imo. i'd never want this kind of system though if i didn't get it for nothing. |
