| Author | Message | ||
     Toddm2l |
Tank, Tail, Bars, Fly Screen, Shifter, Turn Signals... That is just from about five min. at a glance. There might be more don't know. I guess I need to go and take pictures. | ||
| Dynarider |
Dyna, Do you ever actually go back and read some of the stuff you post? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. ================================================== Blakey, Like I posted this morning, that was the old dyna, this is the new & improved super dyna reincarnation that you have had for a while now. Havent you noticed the loss of Buell bashing comments? I even stated a while back that after I dug real deep it turns out that the dealer was more deeply involved in the screwing thats going on than anyone else. Come on man, I even posed on the new lightning for ya at the elves gig. Even with all the issues my bike has had I still like Buells & even told you so. Christ I just shelled out $43 for that damn avon tires Buell model. Would I do that if I was the anti-christ of the Buell kingdom? Let go with the negative vibes man & let it flow. Peace Blakey, & merry christmas too ya big fart.  | ||
| Spiderman |
Naw Cecil is the Buell Anti Christ.  You are just a disgrunteled Buell owner like many of us are at times but we get over it and love our bikes So Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!!!! P.S. Glad to hear the grand baby is back Dyna. SO how many beers is that I owe ya | ||
| X1glider |
Like Henrik said about Computrak. I'm willing to bet 60% of bike owners think their brand spanking new rides are tracking straight. The Computrak people say that the vast majority of new bikes could benefit from their skill. | ||
| Ray_Maines |
X1: I'm surprised Comutrak doesn't say 100% could benefit from their skill. Follow the money, my man, follow the money. | ||
| Blake |
Todd, See the last sentence of my post to you. They owe you a loaner. They should get you one, no excuses. If they have to rent one from another dealership, so be it. They OWE you a loaner. Capice? Be fair but be tough; don't let self serving jerks simply do what they feel like or what is easier or less costly for them. Demand they do right by you. Fair is fair. Capice? | ||
| Jdbuellx1 |
I don't care what anyone says, if anyone other than me wrecked my bike I'd be extremely upset, and you guys acting like it wouldn't bother you are full of it, it's your bike, you put time and money into it and then someone else wrecks it for you, doesn't matter who you are or how many bikes you have or how much money you have in your pocket, it still hits you where it hurts. | ||
| Rick_A |
Nevco1...what are you talking about? I've noticed no such change. I don't think any of us truly changes...we just evolve  ...and I wouldn't be mad if someone damaged my bike  | ||
| Rick_A |
Oh, and I didn't know Steven Segal got his ass kicked...that is good to go  . | ||
| Dynarider |
Justin, I dont think anyone said they wouldnt be mad or upset about someone wrecking their bike. But to moan that it will never be as pristine & virgin as before, without even giving the dealership the benefit of working on it yet is a bit premature. | ||
| Newfie_Buell |
Gee People, As long as the frame, forks or any other major structural part is not bent or twisted the bike can be made better than what it was prior to being damaged. NO sense getting upset, whining over a broken bike when you haven't even started a resolution process yet. No matter how old the bike was there is still some depreciation associated with the machine and by putting new parts on it you are making it better than it was before the damage. Here is what I would do: 1. Sit down and talk to someone at the dealer with some authority and discuss the full details of getting it repaired. 2. Get the bike checked by a reputable firm that can accurately measure the frame, etc, etc. and make sure it is within its spec. 3. Politely request a new ride for the interm, that may not be an issue if your not in the sunny south this time of year(there is not enough info in your profile to tell where your from or what dealer you are using) 4. Let them make the repairs - if its only cosmetic stuff (air box, some shiney bits, etc, etc )then that will look as good or better than new. If you have aftermarket parts on it then they are responsible for that as well. A basic principle of insurance and indemnity is "To be placed back in the same position as you were prior to the loss or damage", this means the bike will be the same as what it was prior to the dealer dropping it and not be made better from their mistake. If they do offer upgraded parts at no cost then bonus to you and it would be some kind of a good will offering. This advice (or similar) has been repeated many times by myself, Court, Blake and numerous others. GET the bike repaired by the dealer and then post a posative comment because I am sure, whoever they are, will act accordingly. If not then you can pursue other avenues. Get the pictures posted of the damage there are a lot of people lurking on this site that could possible offer some good advice on the extent of damage and repairs. | ||
| Mikej |
... and life, as we know it, goes on ... ===== Kind of funny, I sit here at work, 6 cars in the parking lot, two of them local police cars. The "powers that be" wanted this to be a company shutdown day, and wanted each of us to either take a vacation day or an available personal paid day, or take the day off without pay, but "they" didn't want to officially declare this a company closed day. So 5 or 6 of us ornery folks showed up to work today. "They" had to give someone the access card to get into the building. Still, in the back of my mind is the thought that, due partly to the insistence of one party in particular, that this declared "we perfer that you stay home today" day was in fact potentially something else. So, here I sit, doing a little work, and keeping my nose clear trying to decipher the slightest hint of non-tobacco smoke in this smoking-allowed facility, and keeping my ears open for the sound of a moving truck and crew to show up as happened once at a company out west to move the company and leave a post-it note on the door with a number to call to see if you were still employed and if so for where to find the new company location. Yes indeed, as some have said many times, at times life is indeed interesting. So hear I sit keeping my nose and ears clear just hoping to make it through another day in a situation that can only be defined as something akin to a coal mine. And not to worry Dyna, your chunk of coal will be held for disbursal to you should my nose in fact detect something other than tobacco smoke today. Now, don't let any of this actually imply any assumption of any criminal intent on anyone's part, but sometimes the better part of judgement demands to be tempered by situational awareness coupled with past examples of similar situations. But all in all this will most likely be just another day to stay awake and do a little work. | ||
| Mikej |
A basic principle of insurance and indemnity is "To be placed back in the same position as you were prior to the loss or damage", Newfie, According to my situation the basic principle of one insurance agency is to pay out as little as possible and jerk the injured around as much as possible. Both parties in this instance end up with less position than they originally had, and neither are restored to what they were before. Rather than spend $10,000 to recover $1,500 it is at times a better choice to cut one's losses and take a different tract to balance the scales of fairness. My memory is longer than their average employee tenureship. | ||
| Newfie_Buell |
Mike, I hear your pain, a lot of times an insurer will lowball you to see if you will bite. If they get away with it, its money in the bank to them. Of course, my version of indemnity is with respect to a perfect world when all major corporations act with every bit of moral respect we expect. You must be really bored at work today?????? Unfortunately it does not always work that way but it never hurts to ask and have frineds that can offer advice on things we are not familiar with. | ||
| Mikej |
Oh, they did more than simply lowball. I've got them in a documented flat out lie which will be sent to the respective state's insurance commission, along with the rest of my documentation showing clear (in my opinion) lack of good faith on their part. The game is far from over. Take care. | ||
| Jdbuellx1 |
I still don't think it's right to judge the guy's feeling's on the ordeal without knowing his history. It's his first bike, and if he's younger and has never experienced any major mishaps in life yet he's bound to over react a little. I think back to when I was sixteen and got my first car, had it three months and the rods decided to take a short cut thru the block, I thought it was the end of the world, I had no car, couldn't get to my girlfriends house, had to ride the bus to school, etc. My dad made fun of me for the fit I was throwing and took me to find a new car, co-signed my loan and life was back to normal. Patience and learning to cope with things better comes with age, you learn things are never as bad as they seem. | ||
| Mikej |
Well, personally, I don't think I was judging him, just commenting on his whining and wondering if the "never be the same again" comments were his or the dealer's. If the dealer's then that should be cause to demand a replacement bike since they themselves, by their comments, have indicated that they can not restore the bike to the pre-crash condition. But in any case it sounds like we have more of the story now and know a little more. Initially it sounded like the guy was just looking for public support to bail on the bike. In any case, I hope your holidays, and his, are well and going as you had hoped. | ||
| Nevco1 |
Rick...Relax Dude, that was a compliment!!! | ||
| Mikej |
Relax? Relax????? How dare you suggest someone to relax. Don't you realize it's the Holiday season, this is absolutely no time to relax.  The nerve of some people ... Hope you had a happy Happy and a merry Merry. | ||
| Mikej |
Sarcasm is so hard to type. Maybe that's why they've outlawed it in airport terminals and on airlines. newslink (I think I'll go home and start the day over now.  ) | ||
| Rick_A |
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| Toddm2l |
Talked to the dealer, They offered $4,000.00 for it fixed or trade in. I asked about the xb9r that has been on the showroom floor for almost 6 months 9999.95 they would not come down from that price. Talked to the tech and they said that there was no way the frame was bent. Because if it was bent there would be cracks in the paint on the frame. Asked about the Computrack, just acted like they didn't know what it was. Don't know if they are going to replace the brakes or not. But, that is what caused the wreck in the first place. I have pictures That I will try to put on later. They don't have a loaner for me. I hinted that it was 65 outside and if I had a bike I would be riding now. Shook his head and smiled as another tech brought a bike in for him to ride this weekend, because he was putting a new big bore in his bike. They just about had me on a guilt trip... | ||
| Mikej |
Shook his head and smiled as another tech brought a bike in for him to ride this weekend, because he was putting a new big bore in his bike. They just about had me on a guilt trip... And right about then is when I would go find the dealership owner and have a friendly little chat about customer service and dealership reputation. Food for thought. | ||
| Henrik |
Time to call in the lawyers and start playing hard ball. No way you can give a frame a quick look over and tell you it can't be bent. Throughout the length of the frame it could be several mm off - plenty to affect handling - and it wouldn't show up as cracked paint; complete BS. What kind of sledge-hammer-mechanics are they practicing there?? Here is Computrack's website. Get contact info and nearest location from there. Call and get a price for a check-up. Print everything out and present it to the dealer and your insurance Co. lawyer. Henrik | ||
| Toddm2l |
The owner said that they could not make a trade until the bike was fixed to better than new. Think they just want to wait until the new models come out to get more money. They don't want the bike because they would have a hard time selling it also. | ||
| Mikej |
Better than new????? Time to call the local district attorney's office and see if any consumer fraud claims or other intervention can be made. They wrecked it, they fix it, the same or better than when they wrecked it. At least that's how it's supposed to work. Of course not all companies or dealerships play by the rules of fair play. | ||
| Toddm2l |
They have ordered the parts so they say... The dealer said they could fix it to where I could ride it, or wait until it was fixed "better than new." | ||
| Newfie_Buell |
Todd, Post the pics to see what the actual damage is. From you last post it sounds like the dealer is going to fix the bike by making temporary repairs to get you back on the road again then replace the other damaged parts when they arrive at the dealership. If I were in your situation I would give them the chance to make the repairs (take Henirk's advice as above and present it to them). If your not satisfied after the repairs are made then take it to the next level. No need to spend money on legal expenses if its not really necessary. One important thing I learned in my previous life as a claims adjuster is that some people jump the gun before details are worked out. Sometimes it is necessary to call in Lawyers, etc, etc but for the most part you can resolve the problems without having to resort to that. As for the offer on the M2 at $4000.00 is that what they would have offered on a trade should the accident have not occurred. If they would have offered more then that is what they should offer on the trade. And from what I read you still never gave a final number on the total damage(again post the pics), that could be a deciding factor on whether or not to give the bike up. Good Luck | ||
| Court |
>>>>Time to call in the lawyers and start playing hardball. Let me add my thoughts......BASED ON AVAILABLE INFORMATION. Time to call in the lawyers and start playing hardball. I seldom swear here. You dealer is a fucking idiot. If you feel compelled to tell him I said so, feel free to. He should, in terms of simple personal ethics be ashamed. From a business standpoint, he should be ashamed AND scared to death of the potential liability that lies down the path he's set out on. It's not too late, but he (and that idiot fucking mechanic with the X-Ray vision) need to get their heads out of their collective asses. I'd contact the attorney first if just to KNOW what your rights are. Next contact the State Insurance Commission and Consumer Affairs. Finally, get in touch with the Harley-Davidson Dealer Affairs folks. After that is done, I'd send a REGISTERED LETTER to the dealer with: 1) brief summary of what transpired to set this chain of events in motion. 2) what they have offered/told you to date (i.e. "no loaner", "frame looks fine to me".....) 3) what you expect. Let them know "what makes you happy". Follow my original advise to wit....The answer is, in my opinion, to act reasonably, responsibly, honestly and assertively with your dealer, the other party in the situation This is unconscionable. | ||
| Henrik |
Newfie; I guess I should have written for Todd to get in touch with his insurance Co. and their lawyers. Dealer seems unwilling, and the threat of even greater expense may at least wake up his insurance Co. Btw. did anyone catch the MCN story on insurance/re-imbursement etc. in the last issue. Quite an eye-opener. I think the dealer needs to get a grip on what has happened, who's responsible (i.e. him) and what he needs to do to make things right - and he's apparently not aware that there is something wrong in his scenario. So time for a wake-up call. I would absolutely not even touch that bike until it was checked and fixed by someone capable of independent thought processing. If you take a "half fixed" bike out until they can fix it "better than new" you're likely to get caught in some backpaddling BS. Besides, if they refuse to thoroughly check the bike (i.e. Computrack), how can they promise to make it "better than new". Henrik (yep, it's monday, and I'm already tired of people unwilling to do their job or take responsibility for anything) |
