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Buellrobot
Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I took the stoneguard and the lower chain guard off my X1's swingarm, for cleaning, but am having a hell of a time getting the wellnuts back in. I've looked at the manual and it doesn't show flanges on the OEM well nut.

Here's my crude drawing:

(===| <---screw would go in this direction

The middle is the part that goes through the stoneguard and the swingarm, but that flange makes it basically impossible to get through.

Is there a trick to getting this done, or do I just need to go find non-OEM well nuts that fit?
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Harleyelf
Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can you post an actual photo?
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Buellrobot
Posted on Friday, November 25, 2011 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I'll take one next time I'm at the garage (prob tomorrow).
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Rich
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 06:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You need new wellnuts. They dont have a "flange" on them, they distort when you tighten them.

I thimk.
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Ducxl
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 07:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

EASY!! squeeze the head(tophat brim) through from the back!

(Message edited by ducxl on November 26, 2011)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are they rubber, or metal?

If they're rubber, they still have a metal nut inside. That metal nut can get lodged sideways and stick. Knead it a little bit, maybe spritz some oil in there to let it move some, and it should straighten out and "compress" enough for you to get it installed again.

If they're metal, they're single-use. Think "threaded rivet".
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Thylacine
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 01:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thread in the screw to wellnut and push it in the hole
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Akbuell
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Based on my aircraft interior experience, wellnuts are not one of my favorite fasteners, and you now know why.

Rant over. IIRC, they are available in the hardware section of Lowes. I bought extras, so they would be on hand when needed. Easier/quicker to just replace than fiddle with cranky ones.
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Road_thing
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What Ak said. They're about $1 apiece.

rt
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Buellrobot
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They're rubbery, but still fairly stiff. I tried like hell to push them through that swingarm. I think I'll just get new ones. Wanted to make sure there wasn't a really easy solution that I hadn't thought of (like there so often seems to be).

Thx for the advice, all.


well nuts 1



well nuts 2
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's a hex nut inside a rubber boot. Thread the bolt into the nut. Twist and wiggle until the nut lines up with the nut-shaped-hole inside the boot. It'll fit. As long as they aren't torn, you're good.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2011 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While you're in there, spritz some oil on the brass nut's threads. I had to cut mine off due to corrosion locking them together.
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Buellrobot
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ratbuell, I'm not entirely sure what you mean -- if I line this nut up inside the rubber sleeve, it will somehow fit through the hole in the swingarm? I can thread the bolt all the way in, without any problem. So it seems like it's lined up ok.
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Harleyelf
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Remove the nuts from the rubbers by pulling them with the screws. Push the rubbers into place on the bracket. Put the nuts back into their grooves from the side they need to be on, using screws as handles. Assemble the screws through the belt guard and rubber nut holders you just put into bracket. Tighten.
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Ducxl
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MAAAANNNNNN!!!! I cannot believe the agony!!

To reuse you do not need to engage the nut/hole at all!

SQUEEZE the thin head flange through FROM the BACK of the hole!

Of course...ANY hardwaRE STORE HAS 10-32 AND 1/4-20 WELLNUTS CHEAP.But yours CAN be reused.

Do you know a 10-32 thread is almost identical to a 4mmx1.5mm pitch thread? You can thread a 10-32 into a 4mm
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Britchri10
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 08:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ducx1: +1. That is the easiest way i found of reinstalling well nuts.
Chris C
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Akbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ducxl- thanks for the tip. One I will remember and try the next time I need it. Won't necessarily change my attitude about wellnuts, tho .... LOL
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Ducxl
Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2011 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OHhhhh believe ME i HATE wellnuts!

One of mine came with Dzus fasteners on the fairing.Another of the same make came with a bazzillion wellnuts holding the fairings on.I KNOW wellnuts!
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Buellrobot
Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2011 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Finally had a chance to tinker more -- my problem was that I was trying to fit the wellnuts and the stoneguard on at the same time, which made it all but impossible to push the flanges through the swingarm. I didn't realize it, but the stoneguard fits over the back side of the well nut.

First, smoosh the hell out of the flanges and push them into the swingarm from the rear. Second, put the stoneguard over the rear of the well nuts (they'll slip over the back of the well nut). Third, add the bottom belt guard and bolts from the front.

My fingers are tired now. (thanks for the suggestions)
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2011 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hahaha

Good reading guys, thanks for the Sunday night entertainment. I don't remember that about that lower belt guard, so thanks for the reminder.

So much better a story than a blown headgasket...

...and it even has a happy ending.
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