| Author | Message | ||
     Hodakaharold |
I suspect this might be a taboo subject, forgive me if it is. I bought some oil filters from my local auto supply store, carquest filters, plan to use them instead of the overpriced HD filters. Anyone used the carquest filters or any of the following filters? Napa # 1394 Wix # 51394 Does anyone have any evidence that the HD/Buell filters are any different or better? | ||
| Drkside79 |
No idea i used a K&N last time. | ||
| Froggy |
There is a long list of aftermarket filters that will fit. Problem is, while many of them screw on, some of them will not filter correctly. The filters have a bypass valve in it, and many aftermarket filters are too high of a pressure for our low pressure XB's. The HD filter is only $7, I tend to stock up when my dealer has a sale. | ||
| Pwnzor |
K&N has never failed me in any vehicle under any circumstances. IMHO $13 is not too much to pay for peace of mind. | ||
| Fahren |
What Froggy sez. Here's what Purolator has to say about it, from their web site motorcycle filter section: "What About PureONE If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter. " | ||
| Nik |
I forgot that motorcycles weren't vehicles... The NAPA gold and Wix are the same. I use the 1396 which has the same bypass pressure as stock but it is a bit longer for more filtration area. | ||
| Hodakaharold |
Nik, how do they compare price wise? | ||
| Sloppy |
NAPA / Wix are among the BEST filters you can buy. K&N's and Mobil are good, too, but I think they're overpriced. Caveat Emptor. Stay away from Pennzoil & Fram. They are the worst. How do I know? I checked the well known website on oil filters and cut open a number of filters myself. The filters I cut open directly support the website - do a search and you'll find it. If you're not sure what filter model to purchase simply check on their website / catalog. They'll match the pressure relief valve setting to what your engine needs. | ||
| Saratoga |
I use a Toyota filter sprayed black with some flat BBQ grill paint. Buddy of mine works at a Toyota service dept and got me a case at cost. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
A Full list of compatible filters. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuQkhTuQcu z_dEpkN05rMDFuVHYtUE5tMC15WEpNUkE&hl=en | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
As the third under-assistant Official Bad Web Cheapskate, we are glad to present the low cost alternative from our favourite aftermarket supplier, Wally World. Filter: SuperTech ST4769. When last I checked this filter appeared to be made by Champion who make them for HD. Of course both HD and Walmart can change their suppliers, and spec.s with no notification at any time. These aren't always available, so I stock up whenever I find them. Good deal at two bucks each. Lubricant: Mobil 1, 15w50, in the five quart jug. Depending on sale, cost four to five bucks a quart. I have only been using this stuff for about thirty thousand miles on two XB's so I am not sure if it is the perfect solution. But you know what? I am not worrying about it too much.  PS: For those new to the board: do NOT use Mobil 1 gear oil in the primary chain case. It is suspected in early failure of the Stator. I use Harley Formula + which is purpose made for the application, or at least that is their story, and they're sticking to it. | ||
| Fahren |
Note well Jon's wording: Mobil 1 GEAR OIL should not be used in the primary. Many riders pour Mobil 1 20w50 (regular v-twin motor oil) in both holes, as it does not have the stator-damaging additives that the GEAR OIL has. But whatever (no, Char, not you  ). If you change oil and filters every 2500-3000 miles, I wouldn't worry about it anyway. | ||
| Hodakaharold |
"NAPA / Wix are among the BEST filters you can buy" I checked with my carquest auto store, the Carquest oil filters I purchased have Wix on the lower part of the box, Wix puts out info that they basically make the Carquest filter to the same specs as the Wix filter. 1396 is also made for Napa at the same specs. | ||
| Glitch |
PS: For those new to the board: do NOT use Mobil 1 gear oil in the primary chain case. It is suspected in early failure of the Stator. I suspect the same. 2 dead stators almost exactly 20,000 miles apart. Those first 40,000 miles were with Mobil1 gear oil. It's been over 25,000 miles since I changed to Formula+. I'd like to know what it is, so H-D could get less of my $ | ||
| Drkside79 |
Speaking of changing the primary oil. Where other that the Evil HD can I get the gaskets for the primary cover. | ||
| Sloppy |
Note on Gear Oils - It's not "Mobil1" gear oil that causes the problem, it's that GL-5 Gear Oils are corrosive to the stators. Gl-4 gear oils work fine - BUT CHECK WITH THE OIL MANUFACTURER FIRST! | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Darkness, James Gasket makes higher quality gaskets for all Harley and Buell applications. HD buys the cheapest gaskets available, (big surprise, right?). James makes gaskets to a higher standard. Good customer service too. Just call them and ask for a local distributor, after they tell you to try your local HD dealer. http://www.jamesgaskets.com/ | ||
| Nik |
Nik, how do they compare price wise? the 1394 and 1396 are the same price, at least the napa gold variety is. | ||
| Duff24 |
I've been using SuperTech oil filters from Walmart for 40,000 miles. They're already colored black. Looks like they work good to me! | ||
| Mqracing |
Gentleman Jon: You gave the Wallyworld Supertech part number as ST4769... and the list above your post has it listed as a ST4967... which is correct? Or are both right? thanks. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Sorry for the typo. The correct Wally World part number is: ST 4967 | ||
| Mqracing |
Thank-you Gentleman Jon for the clarification. MSL | ||
| Steveford |
The Evil HD, I like that. I'm sure that they're nothing wonderful but the I've been using Purolator ML filters on my Useless for the past two years with no explosions. Anything to keep from giving money to the Evil HD is good with me. P.S. Glitch is spot on with that 20K stator failure remark. (Message edited by SteveFord on March 14, 2010) | ||
| Iyaoyas |
what oil would you recommend instead of the HD oil. I have always been a valvoline person in my cars and trucks. Always used HD oil and Filter in my sportster. | ||
| Hodakaharold |
I did the same for my Sportster but I plan to change to Synthetic oil for my Lightning at the 4,000 mile oil change. I keep hearing stories that it will run enough cooler with synthetic to keep the fan from running so much. Adding the right side scoop to boot and I hope it will make a difference in the brutal Kansas heat. | ||
| Hodakaharold |
For the primary chain case however, I plan to continue to use HD Formula + transmission and Primary Chain case Lubricant. I how to avoid any issues with shifting and stator failure. | ||
| Jlnance |
what oil would you recommend instead of the HD oil. A lot of people, myself included, use Mobil 1 15w-50. That is mostly because it is easy to get. I think it would be difficult to find a bad oil these days, unless you try extra virgin olive oil or something.  | ||
| Lighninginthesky |
I have been running the American Sport Bike Reusable Oil Filter. I like that I can inspect the filter during oil changes and it looks sharp too. www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-prodshow /9034.html | ||
| Hodakaharold |
I plan to HD Synthetic oil because I don't want any hassles with my warranty if I have an engine failure. I also will probably use Buell oil filters until the 2 year warranty expires. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
"what oil would you recommend instead of the HD oil. I have always been a valvoline person in my cars and trucks." I'm using Valvoline VR1 in my Ulysses right now. The VR1 has a CD rating instead of the service manual recommended ratings of CF, CG, CH, or CI - the difference being the year that the ratings were obtained. The CD rating is from 1959 and as a result, does not have to meet modern EPA requirements. That means higher levels of zinc which is great at protecting basically everything in our pushrod valvetrains. NOTE: Valvoline specifically advertises that VR1 IS NOT recommended for use in wet clutches. Also, avoid the "Racing" type of VR1 since it contains little or no detergents. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
I ran Mobil 1 for a few thousand miles, but it was LOUD! Lots of valve train and engine noise going on. I switched to Amsoil, and it was no question noticeably quieter. I run Amsoil 20w50 in the summer and 10w40 in the winter, in both the engine and tranny. I have been running k&n filters, but after this thread I will by trying the $2 supertech. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
Also, avoid the "Racing" type of VR1 since it contains little or no detergents. It is my understanding that there are two types of VR1's, and both are "Racing" types. The only difference being synthetic or dino. I was going to try this Dino VR1, until I found out it was not synthetic.  I've never seen the synthetic VR1 in a store.  | ||
| Fast1075 |
The problem with GL-5 lube is that it contains SULPHUR...GL-4 does not contain sulphur....Sulphur attacks the copper in the stator windings... A side note: if you use GL-5 lube in an automobile manual transmission that has brass syncronizer rings....gess what...the sulphur will eat them up too... I bite the bullet and use the OEM filter to be sure I don't have bypass pressure issues....for oil, I use Mobil-1 V-twin oil...in both holes...it is way more oil than is needed, but it is very good oil. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Dino oil, perfectly ok to use: Synthetic oil, perfectly ok to use:  Race Use ONLY oil, NOT ok to use because it has low detergent levels:  (I couldn't find pics of 20w50 bottles for the first two. Obviously don't put 10w30 in a Buell..) |
