| Author | Message | ||
     Jumpinjewels |
The inside of my left leg gets burned and my right foot. The hubby put some insulation under the seat and we took a ride. Not as hot but now I feel the heat on both sides. | ||
| Mavrick813 |
Bueller and Rat. Are you serious? I don't even think their is grounds for a suit on something like this... It seems Burned legs are the norm for this bike. I'd assume if their was merit for a suit someone would have done it already... Mike | ||
| Ratgin |
Mike hu·mor –noun 1. a comic, absurd, or incongruous quality causing amusement: the humor of a situation. | ||
| Oddball |
Don't worry, even the HD guys are getting burned. http://www.hdforums.com/forum/general-harley-david son-chat/533547-hot-enough-for-blisters.html | ||
| Froggy |
I used an infrared thermometer and took some readings of my bike this evening after my ride home. Bike: 2009 1125CR I got home, hopped off my bike and ran into my garage and grabbed the thermometer as fast as I could, I wanted to prevent false readings due to sitting. I used the thermometer and checked many spots, including moving a few inches to find any variations on those spots. Frame - Right side leg/knee area - 76-82°F, moving around it fluctuated a bit, but within that 76-82 range Yep, my frame was warm to the touch, but I didn't even notice till I took my gloves off. Even then, the pods were about the same temperature, and nowhere near skin damaging. A hot shower is a good 20°F hotter. | ||
| Scraejtp |
70°F ambient....much cooler than I could ever hope in the summer. Also the Erik Buell Racing ECM probably richens up the tune, and lets the bike run cooler. If I get caught in traffic then the bike definitely starts to heat up, but with my commute that is pretty rare. So I really haven't had too many issues. (Message edited by scraejtp on June 30, 2010) | ||
| Dannybuell |
I am beginning to realize why the dealer sold me a bike with 39 miles as used. No lemon law on used. Does anyone have one of those infrared heat thermometer guns to test with? They have become rather inexpensive in recent years $27.00 at HF. I would hope that a few of you experiencing these problems would go out and get one if you don't already have one. We need to document the known hot spots on these bikes. Having a larger sampling with more people participating would lead us in the right direction sooner. Check the frame, pod area of frame, near cylinder head, exhaust pipe or anywhere else you can think of. After we have documented these hot spots we need to use every trick from the Anon posting about Aspen Aerogels insulation to the ceramic coating of headers as Jeepinbueller mentioned and anything else we can think up. At this juncture the solution is our's to find. If we work together we will all be better off sooner. Edit P.S. As I was writing this as Froggy had the same idea posted moments before. Let's follow his lead and report here. THX (Message edited by dannybuell on June 30, 2010) | ||
| Froggy |
Explain the 8k miles with stock and no issues? Also my R is stock with 2k and no issues either. I noticed no difference with the CT or frame heat with either bike or either ECM. (Message edited by froggy on June 30, 2010) | ||
| Syonyk |
Froggy: 1. 70F ambient would be awesome. Try 100F plus pavement heat. 2. Do you *ever* get stuck in traffic? Based on your mileage numbers, I'm guessing you either never see traffic, or are mostly shut down in traffic. My bike doesn't have issues in 60-70 degree weather, even if I'm in traffic. Turn the temps up to 100F, with pavement heat radiating up, and it gets /bad/ - I expect my frame is running at 140F or more - it's *hot* on a bad day. Hopefully the race ECU I have on order will help with this. Stock, it's *bad* - I need full gear just to insulate me from the bike. | ||
| Froggy |
Ain't going to happen, it is rare to break 90 here. We got 80's for most of last week. I can't stand riding in the high 70's as it is, I would probably take the bus to work if it hit 90.
Not really, my GPS routes me around most traffic, and the little I do get stuck in my bike is off as it wastes gas, makes noise, and vibrates till the point I can't stand it anymore and shut it off. No reason to leave it running, many cars (non hybrid) do the same too. | ||
| Syonyk |
Ok, you've got a different riding environment than a lot of people here. If you're not riding above the mid-70s, you're not dealing with the weather that gets these bikes very hot. I don't have trouble with bike heat from around 20 degrees to 80-85 degrees. Above that, it starts to get hot, fast. In 95-100F weather or hotter, the frame and bike get very, very hot. If you can keep moving, it's tolerable, but sitting in traffic heatsoaks the bike very rapidly. The problem with traffic here is that if I'm in it, it's usually moving slowly (5-10mph) - not completely stopped. So cutting the motor isn't really an option. I don't mean to argue, but you're not riding your bike in the conditions that trigger the "My pants are on fire" conditions. So your claims of "I don't see it, it's not a problem" aren't terribly valid when people are riding in 30-40F hotter conditions in traffic you never see. | ||
| Easyrider |
Lower the temperature off the bike: 1. get a good Fuel solution 2. watter wetter full bottle add to coolant 3. a good 10W-40 full syntethic oil Then it shouldent run so HOT anymore | ||
| Fresnobuell |
some of u guys have thin skin. Going into 3rd HOT summer in Central California and never near a burn. Yes. Hot to touch, but not close to burning. | ||
| Greenflash |
I posted a similar story on the "canister" thread before I saw this one. 1125r, cali can, latest flash, harness done. I'm at 108 ambient here in Vegas, AT readings on the instruments are 111-115. Every single day. Maybe it will cool off in a month or two. But until then; not just boiling fuel, it foams up to the lip if the gas cap is removed. I haven't had leg burns yet, but I must wear riding pants; no jeans. I'd prefer the riding style where I hug the frame with my knees, but can't do that. This is totally different from riding the bike in the 70's-80's temps 4 months ago! I'm ready to add some more of that Aspen Aerogels insulation; maybe it can be maneuvered into place. I didn't see a cost on any threads; does anyone have experience with that? I'm assuming that adding insulation to an '09 isn't covered under warranty; that's OK, I'll do it myself. | ||
| Hellgate |
Last summer the lower portion of my frame hit 147, yes 147. That was measured with IR thermometer. Then add a nice 105 day on top of that. | ||
| Dmhines |
I've ridden over the last couple of weeks in 95 - 98 degree heat here in GA. Max I saw coolant was like 210F. IAT generally shows between 95 - 125. The frame gets HOT! I wear dockers to work and it's advisable to keep thigh off of the frame. I can tell you there is NO WAY to SAFELY ride my CR with SHORTS ... you would definitely burn your legs on the frame. I may move the IAT to inside the airbox this weekend. The way I see it once the IAT gets too high ... it leans out the bike too much ... making it run even hotter. If I can prevent this domino effect by moving the IAT sensor perhaps that will help. I have no problem believing the 147 temp. | ||
| Petebueller |
I've ridden home from work in traffic on the 1125R on a few 40C days - that's close to 110F. The CT when I switch off is 104C and if I switch it on a few minutes later the CT is 111C - 115C and the temp light is on. (start the bike and it drops to 104 again so it is just heat trapped around the sensor) I don't think of my Firebolt as getting hot anymore. There is no comparison to the heat from the 1125R. It burns the hairs off my right ankle. The left side is much cooler. It isn't the frame - it may be the exhaust shield but it feels like it is off the muffler. The burning feels worse when I stop and put the left foot down. It's all relative though. Nothing like the world's fastest indian  | ||
| Froggy |
The original poster with the burn lives one state away from me, his weather isn't that different from mine. I have ridden with dozens of 1125 owners in the area, plus many more at Homecoming in Wisconsin, and Buelltoberfest in Georgia, and not once has anyone ever mentioned heat being a problem, nor a burn. I am not saying it isn't a problem, I am trying to find a link. So far the only thing I see is that it happens to a few bikes, no real common link. Most of them seem to be in warmer climate areas, but there are plenty of bikes in those areas without this issue either. | ||
| Oddball |
hwyranger burned his leg a couple years ago. | ||
| Dannybuell |
If you have owned an Air Cooled Harley you know the owners manual states to pull over on hot days in bad traffic. With that type of history many people won't ride in those high temperatures. You can toast an AC Buell in no time. I avoid riding on hot days (85F+) and wait for the cool night air. If I do get into bad traffic on a hot day, I don't pull over but I will change the oil that day. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
so that's awesome we blame the victim for having 'thin skin' dude was burnt. no one should be burnt by any vehicle while using it in the prescribed manor and my bike hasn't burnt me...yet sadly if i was holding proper posture when riding whether in traffic or not it would but in order to avoid burns i don't hug the frame with my thighs as prescribed. lawsuit? dunnno as far as injuries go there have been much worse could you find an ambulance chaser? sure could. what would you want as a result of the suit if any? | ||
| Syonyk |
Boogiman: It's Badweb. You should know by now that anything that goes wrong is the rider's fault. Because otherwise it might imply a flaw in the bike. And everyone KNOWS that the Buell 1125s are The Most Perfect Bike Ever Made. The burns are just "awesome wounds" from the awesome of the bike. Or something. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Syonyk yeah i know and usually i let it go but sometimes i gotta try and be a voice of reason awesome wounds for the awesomeness....LMFAO | ||
| Dmhines |
The only logical result of the lawsuit should be HD offering to buy back the motorcycle for Purchase price minus useage. | ||
| Mavrick813 |
Well, HD Rep went to Brian's HD and took my bike for a 25 mile ride up 295 into Newtown and back... He says the bike is fine. They also checked the computer and their are no codes stored, and the Digitech says everything is fine. He mentioned my riding style might be to blame. He suggests I take the bike home ride it as I would and right before the next heat wave in my area he suggests I drop the bike back at Brian's in order to have them replicate the AT Temps I was experiencing on Monday. Also their is nothing indicating that my bike has gotten hot enough to burn me. OK, How about the 2nd degree burns inside my right leg? OR the warped aftermarket Brian's put on the bike? OR the Decals that are on the frame Bubbling and pealing back? Doesn't any of that indicate excessive heat through the frame, header or somewhere? He dialed in on the decals that should have never been put on the frame in the first place... I'm like OMFG are you serious? Now it's my fault Brian's HD thought it would be cool to put vinyl decals on the frame of the bike and I liked them so that's the bike I picked when I went shopping? Or better yet, since the decals weren't approved by HD why did they give me $500.00 more on my financing to cover them??? End result my bike is now under Lemon Law statute. 20+ days of being in the shop the first 2 years for related issues. I won't sue for the Burn cause the burn will heal and I'll forget about it... But I will let someone else deal with the big dogs regarding this issue. NOW GET THIS: When I dropped the bike off yesterday the Service Now warning would come on whenever you powered up the ignition, and the Check oil light would come on when you turned over the engine. Both would stay on for about 10 seconds each then shut off. Am I wrong to think that should have stored a code? On a side note I'll be at Brian's HD in about 45 Minutes to pick the Buell up. Gonna be nervous as hell riding it home cause who knows what it is going to do. But I was informed that it wasn't a good idea to just leave it their even if I don't intend to get on it any time soon. And since I can't afford to have it towed home... Guess i'll be riding it home. | ||
| Froggy |
Very wrong. If you read the owners manual, you will see the bike is ready for the next service, or the counter wasn't reset last time it was performed. You can follow the instructions in the manual to reset it. If your bike did store a code, you can go into diagnostic mode and view it. As for the heat, it is making me wonder if it is indeed an issue related to your riding style if they rode it around for 25 miles and couldn't find anything wrong. | ||
| Dms |
My morning commute was especially unpleasant this morning; ambient temperatures in the mid-80s and I got stuck in a jam behind a car fire on the freeway. I stumbled along at 0-10 MPH for about 40 minutes, and my CT got up to 210F, with reported AT as high as 115F. With GripSkins on the frame, overpants and not-kidding-around riding boots I'm not worried about getting burned, but I certainly didn't smell all that good when I got to the office. I have a nifty little infrared thermometer at home as well, and this is a perfect chance to justify that impulse purchase. I'll take the same readings that Froggy did and post 'em tonight for comparison's sake when I get home. Ambient temps will probably still be 85+ for my commute, but I'll be staying the hell off the freeway this time. | ||
| Mikellyjo |
Is this really the level we have stooped to?  | ||
| Drawkward |
Really Froggy? What riding style would be conducive to burning your legs? Naked? In shorts? Or god forbid he rides the bike like it was "meant" to be ridden and is twisting the throttle like someone wanting to enjoy being on a motorcycle? Buell touted these bikes as basically being race ready. There is no way a motorcycle's frame should get as hot as it does. Your experience with the bike isn't even applicable here because you don't ride in the weather that the people who have problems are. You also shut your damn bike off in traffic...NO ONE should be required to do that. It's flat out ridiculous. The fact that these bikes get so hot as to burn someone is a major flaw in either insulation or design...or a bit of both. Please stop drinking the koolaid. We all love these bikes for the most part but be at least a bit willing to imagine that they're not perfect from time to time. Your posts in this thread are getting ridiculous because you fail or refuse to even entertain the idea that this guy is normal and is telling the truth. Get a grip man. (Message edited by drawkward on July 01, 2010) | ||
| Timtowtdi |
Riding at higher RPM at lower speeds normally runs up a higher temp. Maybe cruise in a lower gear and shift earlier. Unless you are racing, this is conductive to better fuel economy, engine, tire, and oil life, and a cooler running bike. I'm not saying to lug the motor but you can stay down closer to 3.5K RPM. |
