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Firstbuell
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wanna Pegram Racing sticker !
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Vagelis46
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Where is the Arrow exhaust in the above photo ?
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Firstbuell
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

re-located under the motor, tuber style!

perhaps a new ISO pipe design?
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Neutrum
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

haha, that lever-protector is monstrous...
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is going to be a huge year . . . . and that is about the coolest color combination I've ever seen on a bike.

Anybody heading out to any of the races? . . . I mean EBR is tossing the perfect excuse to "see the world" !
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Vagelis46
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What was not clear from the Press release of the Hero EBR team was the tires used by Canepa to set a time 1.42.7 .... was it a race or a qualifying tire ?

If it was a race tire , the gap to the top 6 would be less than 1 sec , for race tires....

Alex Lowes did a 1.41.0 on race tires , and that was the 2nd fastest time on race tires
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Jscott
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll have to find the article, but there was mention of being 1.9 seconds from the leader till the top 2 switched to a qualifying tire.
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Jscott
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Action pic without side exhaust

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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ I'm beginning to wonder if the fact that EBR now offers the accessory exhaust tips to replace the secondary resonator on the RX will allow them to run the exhaust setup shown above within the WSBK rules for a "stock appearing" exhaust.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 01:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Please yes!

That would be the icing on the cake for me.
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 02:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That would be awesome...
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Lovely picture!
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone here speak Italian? Interview with Canepa from Jerez:

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Vagelis46
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If EBR is forced to use the conventional Arrow side exhaust because the race bike should LOOK like the stock bike , is plain stupid ! ! I cannot believe it ..... Is this 100% positive ?

The company that "invented" the under the engine exhaust, that is now used by almost everyone in sportbikes, is forced to use a conventional muffler..... EBR must do something about it.....

What "IF" , the conventional Arrow exhaust offers more power than the "under-the-engine" exhaust, for the maximun dB allowed ??



In motoGP where there is certainly NO RULE that the exhaust must be similar to the stock bike , Aprilia CRTs and Yamaha M1s use a conventional side muffler.... SO maybe it is a matter of power or power delivery for the required dB ...

If the Arrow side exhaust gives more power , Which exhaust should EBR go for ? More power OR better looks ??

(Message edited by vagelis46 on January 29, 2015)
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Gschuette
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is no stock bike in MotoGP. It's a prototype series.
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Vagelis46
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Correct , but the Aprilia CRT in motogp is based to the stock RSV bike....
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Vagelis- The 2015 WSBK rules can be downloaded here:

http://www.fim-live.com/en/library/download/46057/ download/Library/no_cache/1/

Here's what they say about the exhaust system:


quote:

2.4.8.18 Exhaust system

a) Exhaust pipes, catalytic converters and silencers may be altered or replaced from those fitted to the homologated motorcycle. Catalytic converters may be removed.

b) The number of the final exhaust silencer(s) must remain as homologated. The silencer(s) must be on the same side(s) as on the homologated model.

c) For safety reasons, the exposed edge(s) of the exhaust pipe(s) outlet(s) must be rounded to avoid any sharp edges.

d) Wrapping of exhaust systems is not allowed except in the area of the rider’s foot or an area in contact with the fairing for protection from heat.

e) The noise limit for Superbikes will be 107 dB/A (with a 3 dB/A tolerance
after the race only).




I believe sub-paragraph b above was interpreted to require them to hang a muffler off the right side of the bike since the stock bike has a secondary resonator there. Now that EBR offers an accessory kit that deletes the secondary resonator and replaces it with short exhaust tips, perhaps that configuration can be (or has been) homologated and the under-engine exhaust will be acceptable for this season.

(Message edited by Hughlysses on January 29, 2015)
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Vagelis46
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Great news ...

There is no real question as to which exhaust solution we like more..... Better late than never .....

This season looks better and better every day....

Let's get ready for major pleasant surprises in Philip Island... I am sure Philip Island will be a track that EBR will do very well ! ! ! Corner Speed ! ! !
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Personally I don't care WHAT it looks like if the bike goes faster.

Function before form!
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting Report from Motorcycle.com:

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/01/27/motorcycle-n ews/team-hero-ebr-completes-jerez-wsbk-test/?utm_s ource=newmo20150129&utm_medium=email&utm_term=100% 25%20list&utm_campaign=weekly
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

^ Only 2 uses of "delighted" in that article. Glad to see they've cut back.

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Classax
Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pegram confirmed in an interview with Sport Rider that neither EBR rider dawned qualifying tires during the Jerez test this week. All times were recorded with race compounds. The gap to the middle of the field may actually be smaller than we think come race day.

http://www.sportrider.com/pegram-and-canepa-aim-fresh-start-ebr-wsbk


Ugh start the season already!

(Message edited by classax on January 30, 2015)
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Greatlaker
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

WSB Jerez Test Times--Ducati runs close to MotoGP track record.

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/01/wsb-jerez-t est-shows-potential-of-new-ducati/

A list of bikes and riders...

1. Davide Giugliano ITA Aruba.it Racing Ducati 1199R 1m 39.332s
2. Tom Sykes GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 39.694s
3. Jonathan Rea GBR Kawasaki Racing ZX-10R 1m 39.745s
4. Chaz Davies GBR Aruba.it Racing Ducati 1199R 1m 40.062s
5. Leon Haslam GBR Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 1m 40.069s
6. Alex Lowes GBR Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 40.159s
7. Michael van der Mark NED PATA Honda CBR1000RR 1m 40.590s
8. Nico Terol ESP Althea Ducati 1199R 1m 40.765s
9. Randy de Puniet FRA Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 1m 40.977s
10. Matteo Baiocco ITA Althea Ducati 1199R 1m 41.412s
11. Jordi Torres ESP Red Devils Roma Aprilia RSV4 1m 41.983s
12. Sylvain Barrier FRA BMW Italia S1000RR 1m 42.004s
13. David Salom ESP Pedercini Kawasaki ZX-10R 1m 42.184s
14. Tati Mercado ARG Barni Ducati 1199R 1m 42.577s
15. Niccolo Canepa ITA Team Hero EBR 1190RX 1m 42.743s
16. Larry Pegram USA Team Hero EBR 1190RX 1m 46.996s
17. Sylvain Guintoli FRA PATA Honda CBR1000RR No Time
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Ebmachine
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone know if any of the riders used a qualification tire to get their fastest lap?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it's pretty certain at least the sub-1:40 guys used qualifying tires, and maybe more riders than that.
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Classax
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2015 - 11:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The EBR's and the 600 did NOT use QT's which are good for a second to a second and a half. All the other teams did. Why EBR did not is a mystery to me, but the times on race rubber look promising.

What I really find interesting is that Canepa says he doing the same times on both ZTL and conventional brakes. Could be that the ZTL still has some of that the ZTLs still have some latent HD DNA in terms of feel?
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Ljm
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe felt like they didn't need to. Nick said he ran 100 laps, and both he and Larry said that they learned a lot and made a lot of progress.

I am interested in what the technical problem was that Larry had that ended his day early. Anyone heard?
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Ebmachine
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 12:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Classax, if I understand you correctly, that all the other teams used QT's and EBR did not, this is amazing. It would put EBR close to the front of the pack. Niccolo's time was less than half of a second to last years winner at Jerez. The winner was not running EVO. The EBR has not changed that much since last year. Could it be the EBR needed an aggressive rider who could push the bike to the engineering limits set up by a genius (Erik)? Wishful thinking?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I were them, and I was still fine tuning the race rubber setup, I would NOT put on qualifying tires either.

It would mess up my data trending and analysis, it would be a distraction from what is necessary to actually win races, and it would give my competitors an unnecessarily premature look at my capabilities.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2015 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trophies (and points) acre through winning races not qualifying.

I suspect there are a LOT of changes that have occurred . . huge ones and . . . echoing what I said most of last season. . . there are going to be some big surprises this year.

I'm really excited.
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