| Author | Message | ||
     Buewulf |
I thought I had seen a thread on this a while back but could not find it. It looks like I am going to need a new ECM, but EBR does not make one for a pre-08 Uly with stock exhaust (which is what I would want.) So I guess I will need to get a new muffler, too. Do any of you guys have some firsthand experience comparing the aftermarket offerings and which one is the least offensive in terms of noise? I honestly don't care much about which offers the best torque or the most peak HP, but if you have any flat spots or other undesirable effects from your exhaust choice, I would like to know that, too. Thanks! | ||
| Tootal |
Do they make a pre 08 for the drummer? I've read that some of the guys have used the EBR ECM for the drummer and then wired their stock muffler open. It is slightly louder but with your helmet on and in the wind you can't tell. It's really just a little throatier but not significantly louder in my opinion. | ||
| Froggy |
I would send them an email, mention that your stock ECM was damaged and needs replacement and you would like one of their race ECMs configured for a 06 with stock muff, regardless of what performance gains it does/doesn't have. Failing that, I would pick the ECM for the Special Ops, and then run that with your stock can. | ||
| Buewulf |
I sent them a message earlier today, but I have seen some other recent posts from people saying they got a negative back on the pre-08 stock exhausts. I did mention in my message that all I was interested in was a working ECM and that I didn't expect any performance increase. I had consigned myself to getting a new muffler and matching map just to make sure it was sorted out of the box. I am tired of constantly dinking with things on the bike and just want to ride it. I thought about getting the ECM for Special Ops since it still has the valve control - plan B being I would just buy the Spec Ops pipe if the map didn't work well. Only problem is that people don't seem to be getting their stuff from SOps in a timely manner lately. That, and if I am going to risk buying another muffler, I would like to already have the map for the quietest. I don't know how loud the Spec Ops pipe is compared to the others available. | ||
| Ulynut |
EBR does make an ecm for pre- 06 Ulysses with stock exhaust. I have one on my bike. Works with the exhaust valve and runs strong. | ||
| Buewulf |
Well I hope that is what I hear back from EBR, then. When selecting the model year on the online store, stock exhaust is an option for later bikes, but not 2004 - 2007. Glad to hear someone has one! | ||
| Ourdee |
I think Rat-buell has an 06 Race ECM with stock pipe. | ||
| D_adams |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=142838&post=2137677#POST2137677  | ||
| Trojan |
Do any of you guys have some firsthand experience comparing the aftermarket offerings and which one is the least offensive in terms of noise? Pretty much all of the US made exhausts I have heard are all louder than the Euro made ones, simpoly because US laws on noise don't seem to be anywhere near as harsh as they are here. I've seen people turned away from track days with 'road legal' Jardines, D&D's etc in the past. If you want a 'proper' quiet exhaust that is not much louder than stock then pick one that is 'E'marked or Euro compliant, as these will have to be under 98db. Remus is a good option, but I'm sure there are others too  | ||
| Etennuly |
Yes, Ratbuell has the stock can on his '06 with an EBR ECM. He is quite happy with it. That is what I plan to do if mine craps out. I modified my stock can simply by adding a right side outlet at the back section. It is the perfect low, slightly louder, tone and it runs great with the stock ECM. | ||
| Uly_man |
Question 1. Is a EBR ECM a re mapped HD ECM. Question 2. Can/will EBR test a HD ECM for faults. Buewulf. It seems you have a few problems with the bike. "Would have liked to have proven some of my Buell-bashing friends wrong, but the bike has proven to be as unrefined, slow and unreliable as the sterotypes made it out to be. The motor is OK but completely unworthy of the chassis it sits in, and the tranny must be among the worst in production." The 06 bike WILL run right stock or at least mine did and I had, like yours, a open air box and a K&N air filter. So you must have either a electrical problem, a busted ECM or someone may have messed with the setup of your ECM before you bought the bike unless you had it from new. Has things got worse over time? I have had no problems with the transmission and was quite surprised at how good they are. Thats with a comparison to a Suzuki gearbox who are known for there slick boxes. I would give the Buell 9 out of 10. 1st to 2nd is always a problem on bikes and thats the worst part with the Buell box. My 06 bike was fine but the 2010 bike is not so good and neutral can be hard to find sometimes if stationary. Are your engine mounts ok? The front one seems to the main culprit and will cause gear change problems due to lash. Again has it got worse over time? Quiet can. I would buy a used Remus if you can. Reasons? Its SS, lighter, best quality build and you will always get your money back. The best bit is that you have three sound levels via baffle changes that take 2 mins to do. The small one sounds much like the OEM can. I know because I had this on my 06 bike. Also you could, if that is not quite enough, have others made for little money as it is a very simple system. Add a Remus Powerizer and the bike goes like stink. Mine did. If the bike is sound/tight you should have no problems. Something else is going on here. Do not spend unless you are sure. Yes the engine is a little crude and its never going to be as smooth or as fast as a Rotax or a Jap four but it has its own charms. I have had some great bikes and in the past thought about going back to one or two of them but the Uly is the only one I have. So even though I Bitch about them there must be something right about them or at least for me. (Message edited by uly_man on May 02, 2012) | ||
| Mhevezi |
Buewulf, I opted for the Drummer and by itself, it's very loud, But with the dB Killer insert, it's quite docile in sound. A tad louder than stock, and very reasonable for everyday use. Works very well, with the Race ECM setup for a Drummer pipe. I honestly wish the Drummer with dB Killer was a few dB louder... but, I'm very happy with where it's at. | ||
| Buewulf |
So you must have either a electrical problem, a busted ECM or someone may have messed with the setup of your ECM before you bought the bike unless you had it from new. Has things got worse over time? Ulyman, I do indeed have an electrical problem that I have been unable to figure out that makes the bike unriedable once it is warmed up. I have redressed every ground, tested the sensors that I knew how to test, replaced the ones I could not, swapped every relay and put probes on damn near every wire on the bike trying to find a fault. The battery and charging system are sound, plugs and wires are good, and the bike runs great until it has warmed up. The bike throws no trouble codes, so on board diagnostics are no help, and it will not misbehave while idling, so getting to the root of the problem has been difficult. The only way I have been able to duplicate the symptoms I get while riding was by knocking on the ECM once the bike was good and hot. Even that is not a smoking gun, apparently, because I sent the ECM to another Uly owner who was good enough to put it on his bike for a week, and he experienced no issues. But it is all I've got left to go on, so I am replacing it. As far as the tranny and engine go, my comments about them really don't have anything to do with this thread, but I had just missed an annual pilgrimage I take with some old friends every year as well as an impromptu planned ride into the mountains shortly after due to issues with the bike, so I was a bit irate when I wrote that. I still think the powertrain is a minor insult to the rest of the bike, but my comments are more scathing than my actual feelings. The Uly is still a motorcycle, and I love it for that (when it runs) despite how I rate the engine and tranny relative to other bikes I've had. The bike is certainly greater than the sum of its parts, or else I assure you I would gotten rid of it by now. | ||
| Buewulf |
But with the dB Killer insert, it's quite docile in sound. A tad louder than stock, and very reasonable for everyday use. Thanks, Mhevezi. That is the kind of info I am looking for. I did not know there was an insert available for any of the exhausts listed on the website. The Euro exhausts are too pretty. I go off-pavement often, so the muffler sees a lot of debris. It also makes a pretty good see-saw if you need to rock/skid over a fallen tree or something else in the path. I still want the muffler to retain the jackpoint ability. | ||
| Buewulf |
Well, I just heard back from EBR, and they told me to order the ECM for the Race Muffler and that they would make sure it had the right map. Very happy about that! Hopefully it cures the electrical gremlin. | ||
| Uly_man |
Buewulf. It may not be of help but my 2010 bike had issues once it got hot but not the same as yours. It was so HD said after a logged run a O2 sensor. But who knows. Can, jacking point, fair enough. Keep your OEM can and try to find the running problem. If you can find a HD dealer to do a logged run it will show up the problem. If it does exactly the same thing at the same point over and over again its a sensor or a ground issue because the ECM is getting bad numbers back and therefor bad information. Which sensors have you changed out so far? | ||
| Buewulf |
Which sensors have you changed out so far? I had swapped out every relay and sensor (graciously loaned to me by another, trusting Buell rider) except: 1) the BAS, which I disabled with ECM spy to test. 2) the TPS, which I tested with an analog meter to see if the signal correlated with degrees of throttle rotation. 3) temperature sensor, which I monitored with ECMSpy as the bike idled. | ||
| Uly_man |
ECM it may be. Good luck B. | ||
| Buewulf |
Thanks. I pulled the trigger on one, so I hope the ECM is the problem. | ||
| Barkbuster |
My Drummer with the db killer in sounds good and runs well to 5k but then the db killer also kills power. With the killer out it runs very well indeed and the noise is not bad to bystanders but is very loud to me.I have not got my race ecm re calibrated to the drummer yet but it sure seems rich with the killer in. I took the killer out Monday and love the way it goes and may be a lil more deaf as its not so bad to me now! |
