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Jlnance


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I realized the other day that we have a LOT of very technical people Badweb. I'm wondering if technical people are attracted to Buell's or if it's something else. Any opinions?

My own introduction to Buells was through a Riders Edge class. There was a Blast in the back of the classroom. It took my breath away when I saw it. It was absolutely beautiful. The main reason I thought so was that I could look at the bike and tell how much engineering went into making it so simple. I'm not sure someone who wasn't an engineer would notice or even care about something like that.

PS - I own that bike now
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Medic
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

<<<<< Not an engineer (I know, it's hard to believe with name like Medic...), but definitely someone who appreciates excellent engineering.
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Spiderman


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Will be in two years : )
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Buelliedan


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm just a dumb redneck living in Texas who likes to tinker with things.
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Uwgriz


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engineer.
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Daves
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nope, just a salesman.
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engineer...one who applies practical principals to come to a scientific or mathematical solution.
How good you are depends on Ed.
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Gowindward


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guilty....And a piece to help the world understand us. LOL

Engineers Explained


People who work in the fields of science and technology are not like other people.

This can be frustrating to the nontechnical people who have to deal with them.

The secret to coping with technology-oriented people is to understand their motivations.

This chapter will teach you everything you need to know.

I learned their customs and mannerisms by observing them, much the way Jane Goodall learned about the great apes, but without the hassle of grooming.

Engineering is so trendy these days that everybody wants to be one.

The word "engineer" is greatly overused. If there's somebody in your life who you think is trying to pass as an engineer, give him this test to discern the truth.



ENGINEER IDENTIFICATION TEST

You walk into a room and notice that a picture is hanging crooked.

You...

A. Straighten it.

B. Ignore it.

C. Buy a CAD system and spend the next six months designing a solar-powered, self-adjusting picture frame while often stating aloud your belief that the inventor of the nail was a total moron.



(The correct answer is "C" but partial credit can be given to anybody who writes "It depends" in the margin of the test or simply blames the whole stupid thing on "Marketing."; )



SOCIAL SKILLS

Engineers have different objectives when it comes to social interaction. "Normal" people expect to accomplish several unrealistic things from social interaction:

*Stimulating and thought-provoking conversation

*Important social contacts

*A feeling of connectedness with other humans

In contrast to "normal" people, engineers have rational objectives for social interactions:

*Get it over with as soon as possible.

*Avoid getting invited to something unpleasant.

*Demonstrate mental superiority and mastery of all subjects.



FASCINATION WITH GADGETS

To the engineer, all matter in the universe can be placed into one of two categories:

(1)things that need to be fixed, and (2)things that will need to be fixed after you've had a few minutes to play with them.

Engineers like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems. Normal people don't understand this concept; they believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet. No engineer looks at a television remote control without wondering what it would take to turn it into a stun gun. No engineer can take a shower without wondering if some sort of Teflon coating would make showering unnecessary. To the engineer, the world is a toy box full of sub-optimized and feature-poor toys.



FASHION AND APPEARANCE

Clothes are the lowest priority for an engineer, assuming the basic thresholds for temperature and decency have been satisfied. If no appendages are freezing or sticking together, and if no genitalia or mammary glands are swinging around in plain view, then the objective of clothing has been met. Anything else is a waste.



LOVE OF "STAR TREK"

Engineers love all of the "Star Trek" television shows and movies.

It's a small wonder, since the engineers on the starship Enterprise are portrayed as heroes, occasionally even having sex with aliens.

This is much more glamorous than the real life of an engineer, which consists of hiding from the universe and having sex without the participation of other life forms.



DATING AND SOCIAL LIFE

Dating is never easy for engineers. A normal person will employ various indirect and duplicitous methods to create a false impression of attractiveness. Engineers are incapable of placing appearance above function.

Fortunately, engineers have an ace in the hole. They are widely recognized as superior marriage material: intelligent, dependable, employed, honest, and handy around the house. While it's true that many normal people would prefer not to date an engineer, most normal people harbor an intense desire to mate with them, thus producing engineer like children who will have high-paying jobs long before losing their virginity.

Male engineers reach their peak of sexual attractiveness later than normal men, becoming irresistible erotic dynamos in their mid thirties to late forties. Just look at these examples of sexually irresistible men in technical professions:

* Bill Gates.

* MacGyver.

* Etcetera.

Female engineers become irresistible at the age of consent and remain that way until about thirty minutes after their clinical death.

Longer if it's a warm day.



HONESTY

Engineers are always honest in matters of technology and human relationships. That's why it's a good idea to keep engineers away from customers, romantic interests, and other people who can't handle the truth. Engineers sometimes bend the truth to avoid work. They say things that sound like lies but technically are not because nobody could be expected to believe them. The complete list of engineer lies is listed below.

"I won't change anything without asking you first."

"I'll return your hard-to-find cable tomorrow."

"I have to have new equipment to do my job."

"I'm not jealous of your new computer."



FRUGALITY

Engineers are notoriously frugal. This is not because of cheapness or mean spirit; it is simply because every spending situation is simply a problem in optimization, that is, "How can I escape this situation while retaining the greatest amount of cash?"



POWERS OF CONCENTRATION

If there is one trait that best defines an engineer it is the ability to concentrate on one subject to the complete exclusion of everything else in the environment. This sometimes causes engineers to be pronounced dead prematurely. Some funeral homes in high-tech areas have started checking resumes before processing the bodies. Anybody with a degree in electrical engineering or experience in computer programming is propped up in the lounge for a few days just to see if he or she snaps out of it.



RISK

Engineers hate risk. They try to eliminate it whenever they can. This is understandable, given that when an engineer makes one little mistake the media will treat it like it's a big deal or something.



EXAMPLES OF BAD PRESS FOR ENGINEERS

* Hindenberg.

* Space Shuttle Challenger.

* SPANet(tm)

* Hubble space telescope.

* Apollo 13.

* Titanic.

* Ford Pinto.

* Corvair.

The risk/reward calculation for engineers looks something like this:

RISK: Public humiliation and the death of thousands of innocent people.

REWARD: A certificate of appreciation in a handsome plastic frame.

Being practical people, engineers evaluate this balance of risks and rewards and decide that risk is not a good thing. The best way to avoid risk is by advising that any activity is technically impossible for reasons that are far too complicated to explain.

If that approach is not sufficient to halt project, then the engineer will fall back to a second line of defense: "It's technically possible but it will cost too much."



EGO

Ego-wise, two things are important to engineers:

* How smart they are.

* How many cool devices they own.

The fastest way to get an engineer to solve a problem is to declare that the problem is unsolvable. No engineer can walk away from an unsolvable problem until it's solved. No illness or distraction is sufficient to get the engineer off the case. These types of challenges quickly become personal -- a battle between the engineer and the laws of nature. Engineers will go without food and hygiene for days to solve a problem. (Other times just because they forgot.) And when they succeed in solving the problem they will experience an ego rush that is better than sex--and I'm including the kind of sex where other people are involved. Nothing is more threatening to the engineer than the suggestion that somebody has more technical skill.

Normal people sometimes use that knowledge as a lever to extract more work from the engineer. When an engineer says that something can't be done (a code phrase that means it's not fun to do), some clever normal people have learned to glance at the engineer with a look of compassion and pity and say something along these lines: "I'll ask Ched to figure it out. He knows how to solve difficult technical problems." At that point it is a good idea for the normal person to not stand between the engineer and the problem. The engineer will set upon the problem like a starved Chihuahua on a pork chop.
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Blublak


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NOT an engineer, but I know several (some only on this fine board).. But then most of you already knew that..

Later,
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Uwgriz


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As an engineer, all of the above applies, except the bit on Star Trek.
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Jlnance


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wish I could say that didn't describe me. But it SO does.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

construction worker
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Whodom


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engineer
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Cataract2
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Soon to be corrections officer. Was doing college for computer engineering, but got bored of that (I hate general ed classes, give me calculus.) and was working at the jail for some time. Want the $ among other things.
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Jlnance


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

construction worker - And Bruce Wayne is a business man
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Mbsween


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was a Mechanical Engineer, but now I'm a network engineer , so I guess I'm doubly affected. But keep with the times, drop the Star Trek and Change it to Lord of the Rings.........
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M1combat


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Armchair engineer... I know you engineer types hate the armchair types, but I can't help it.
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99buellx1


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Netwok Engineer......don't know if that counts, but I have the piece of paper to prove it.
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Bomber


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

nope, but I do make my living translating for em! I'm sunk if engineers ever start communicating in English!

;-}
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Dasbuell


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Former military electronics technician & electronics instructor.

Current fed LE... with years of radio tech and electronic surveillance system duties.


Yes, that's right...

a nerd with a gun!
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Al_lighton


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I used to be a Mechanical Engineer. Started working my career working on military RPVs/drones, but afterwards, mostly electronics packaging specialist, so thermal engineering and enclosure design stuff. But then I became an engineering manager and got my technical lobotomy....then I got sold a few times....now I'm a salesman and occasional product development engineer again...wish I had more time for the product development activities, but taking care of orders and customer questions has highest priority. Seriously technical stuff would escape me these days, too long away from it. A calculus problem of any dificulty would overwhelm me, sad to say.
Al
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Ingemar


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you an engineer if your job title says so or if you have the papers to back it up?



Network engineer.
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Unibear12r
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know what I am...
Except that I haven't grown up yet!
Or stuck with one hobby/career.
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Reindog


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ummm.... engineer.

Actually, my title is ASIC engineer which is totally apropos because I AM a sick engineer. Although almost totally bereft of mechanical dexterity and skills, I design teensy tinsy computer chips that make swell tie tacks.
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Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)



Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No im not, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.: D
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CJXB


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Gentleman_jon


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 05:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Architect
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S1eric
Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engineer, And my business card says so.
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Buellish


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

High Speed Envelope Machine Adjuster....well you had to ask.
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Tripper


Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Sales" Engineer



GoWindWard: I got 1/3 of the way through that lesson and went ADD. Typical of a sales guy eh?

(Message edited by tripper on December 23, 2004)
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