| Author | Message | ||
     Snackbar64 |
I'm sure this is not even a comparison in a performance conversation, but in comfort there clearly is no comparison. The 1125 wins hands down. I went to my local Ducati dealer here in Dallas ready to take out their demo bike. I was all excited to really see what all the fuss was about. As soon as I threw a leg over and sat on the thing the v-shaped seat forced my body and nuts forward, crashing them right into the gas tank. My eyes became as wide open as Rodney Dangerfield's used to when he told those jokes years ago. Right then I took a huge swallow and got off the bike an told the salesman "no thank you" There was no way I was riding thru town on that bike with that look on my face. I'll stick with the Buell! | ||
| Jdugger |
The 1125r really is an excellent sport-touring platform. Flat seat, wide, high "clip-ons", etc. I think even Erik Buell has come out and said they specifically designed the bike to the sport side of sport-touring. | ||
| Snackbar64 |
That is what scares me about the new bikes Erik is building. Has the "built from the rider down" philosophy gone away with his new bikes being more marketed towards the racing side of things? I sure hope not. The foam seat on the 1190 scared me just a little. | ||
| Jdugger |
... and I'll go back to my comments about the niche Buell was forced into by HD. I think there's a high probability a lot of Buell customers are not interested in EBR bikes -- at least the ones we know about so far. | ||
| Tbowdre |
I rode my buddies panigale last week and it is definitely a sweet bike. Really small frame and front fairing. Position is actually pretty comfortable once under way but it gets way, way hotter than my BUELL. He is having the exhaust ceramic coated and getting it rejetted as we speak. I was pretty excited about 195hp (98ft.lb of torque?) but when I tried to wheelie it and the thing feel right on its face! I think because of the way he had the traction control set up and I was on the sport map... will have to "fix" that the next time I get to take it for a spin! Overall I think this is an epic machine and think it is cool Ducati continues to push the limits of Vtwin evolution.... lots have given up on twins as a performance platform | ||
| Snackbar64 |
I would probably be interested in his new bikes if they were comfortable. I don't know much about racing and I think the majority of sport bike owners never see a track. I sure would like to some day to really see what this bike can do. Tbowdre, I really like the look of the Panigale from the rear to the gas tank. The rest they can keep. The 1098/1198 was right up there with the MV Agusta as being one of the sexiest street bikes ever built. If I had to buy a Ducati I would look to purchase one of those models. I doubt I could tell the difference from a performance basis the way I ride. But I would like to experience what you did riding your friend's bike I just couldn't get into it. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
i didn't find the 1190 to be bad granted i didn't ride it much around the pits and garage though. | ||
| Jaimec |
The web is full of photos of Panigale rider's legs sporting second degree burns. And I used to complain about the heat coming off my 1125R. | ||
| Crowley |
I'll second how comfortable the 1125 is in comparison to my Duc (1198) I also found the 1198 very hard to ride in anger until I fitted a grippy seat and Stompgrip. Performance wise, comparing the 1125 and the 1198 (or Panigale), is like comparing my X1 with the Helicon. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"I rode my buddies panigale last week and it is definitely a sweet bike. Really small frame and front fairing. Position is actually pretty comfortable once under way but it gets way, way hotter than my BUELL. He is having the exhaust ceramic coated and getting it rejetted as we speak. " Rejetting the Pani? Uhhh WHAT is being rejetted exactly? And yes, it has a small frame, wait, it has no frame. And I agree with the others about longer rides on the 1125R, it really is quite comfy for longer trips. Tonight at 9:15 Im heading to the beach, 4 hours away, should be quite simple, not too uncomfortable. | ||
| Rodrob |
"The foam seat on the 1190 scared me just a little." If you are sitting upright in the seat, crusin' down the highway on the 1190RS, you most definitely bought the wrong motorcycle. The 1190RS is a race bike with lights. The bike is extremely comfortable with one knee on the pavement, or tucked in behind the fairing, toes on the pegs, at 175+ mph. That being said, I still find it more comfortable than the Panigale that I rode. Heat is always going to be an issue with big V-Twins. By design you are sitting right on top of the rear header, as opposed to IL4s, where the headers are in front of the motor. Its just one of the trade-offs of the V-Twin design. (Message edited by Rodrob on August 07, 2012) | ||
| Crabby |
Perhaps he meant remapped. You know, Fuel injection and all that modern technology on a bike. | ||
| Tbowdre |
HA! too funny..... Iam so stupid. yes of course I meant remapped, Which I thought was odd since it has a race map, sport map and rain map. But I guess the EPA influences all of them? So I asked if he is getting like a base map that affects each mode... no idea Oh yes, AND no frame... the whole bike is really small. Just a big spec sheet! | ||
| Sprintst |
The 1190RS is a race bike with lights. The bike is extremely comfortable with one knee on the pavement, or tucked in behind the fairing, toes on the pegs, at 175+ mph. well, that sounds good, but their business model can't be based on that customer base lot's of folks want race replicas, but in the end they still need to be able to ride in town and to work and to bike night without ending up in the ER getting treated for burns} | ||
| Dannybuell |
maybe tail sections will have turnbuckles so users can raise and lower seat based on preference. | ||
| Rogue_biker |
Snackbar, the one thing Ducati does (and Aprilia too) is that they don't mince words. If they say it's a sportbike then it's a sportbike, and every time you hop on one it will remind you of this very fact. I have never ridden a Ducati that was comfortable. Even their ST2/4's were a rack compared to my VFR800. Their Monsters are pretty uncomfortable too and it makes the Lightning feel like a couch. The worse ones were the 798/998's--long reach to the bars, ass up, mile high pegs, hot exhaust boiling your nutsack, stiff suspension, heavy steering. The Panigale is improved but not by that much. Overall, unless you are built like an Italian athlete, you will NOT fit in most Ducati sportbikes. They've softened up some models like their Multi-Stradas but not the rest. | ||
| Jdugger |
I've never understood people complaining about sportbike comfort. If you want comfort, get a street bike, not a sport bike. I don't think anyone would argue the typical Ducati, EBR, even S1000RR are "comfortable", so why would you buy one and complain about it? Get the multistrata or something that sits upright if that's what you want. There are a lot of really awesome street bikes that are just better suited for typical street applications than track duty. | ||
| Crowley |
Yeah, that  | ||
| Smoke4ndmears |
Heat aside, I thought the 1098 and 1198 were plenty comfortable, but I guess it's just what I'm used too after years and years of sportbikes. It is all about core strength and not having a flabby ass  | ||
| Jaimec |
Actually, I found the S1000RR to be surprisingly comfortable... | ||
| Mickeyq |
I am anxiously waiting for an EBR Ulysses!! | ||
| Jaimec |
I think I'd rather an EBR "Thunderbolt" | ||
| Froggy |
Because there is no reason any bike, be it sportbike, chopper, dirt, etc, should be uncomfortable. If you are uncomfortable, you can't ride the bike as long, as far, and as good or as safely as someone else who is more comfortable. If your ass/arms/neck/legs/etc is hurting you, it is distracting you from the tasks at hand, increasing the risk of an accident. Considering the 1125R only needs a different seat to be switched from "good comfort" to "fantastic comfort", they hit the mark and designed it right. | ||
| Snackbar64 |
Yeah Froggy that's what I mean. The 1125 is raced on a track and is comfortable to also ride on the street too. I'm just hoping that combo isn't lost in all his new bikes to come. Most people don't buy a bike for track use only. It seems like most has been carried over from the 1125R to the 1190 so hopefully keeping the new bikes livable for street use did too. Either way I cant wait to see what he comes up with next. I will either be a customer or an admirer from afar. (Message edited by snackbar64 on August 08, 2012) | ||
| Froggy |
Snackbar, you will be pleasantly surprised with the new bikes. I got a feeling Erik has something in the works that will make you happy. | ||
| Jgarner99 |
So Froggy, maybe I missed it, but just when ARE we going to get the details on all these new bikes? I'm dying to know what's in store... can we at least get a date? | ||
| Froggy |
I don't have one, I was expecting some news to break last month but nothing yet. | ||
| 1125rcya |
Erik accomplished some goals! I purchased my 1125R for street use. Fell in love with the bike so much, I now ride the track. I may not be able to buy Erik's next bike, but will still be riding this bike at the track. More fun than I have ever had. Thanks Erik | ||
| Snackbar64 |
1125Rcya We have the exact same bike, color and all! I know what you mean. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Well, real sportbikes are designed from the track down, because winning races sells sportbikes. Period. The 1125 is odd in that respect. from the airbox back it's pure sportbike....with a fairing that belongs on a Goldwing and high, naked bike bars. Hell, I wish the thing had a big ole tail section witha big ole trunk and grab handles for my girlfriend. That should be a mid price EBR....stonking motor, track handling, streetbike amenities. Like the big four used to do, you had the F4i with a bananna seat for a street bike, and the CBr600RR for the hardcore set. Or the Kawasaki ZZR's & ZXR's. The 1125 is all things to all ppl and I love it, butthere is a market for a harder focussed bike...and a softer one. Four kinds of ppl buy pure sport bikes. Sportbike snobs & track junkies- like myself. I like to go, and stop, and turn, extremely well. Squids....self explanitory....and douchebags, which kinda fall under squids. We buy them because they go like stink, or because they look kewl and will match your sneakers & wife beater, yo. Nobody buys a vette and then bitches about the lack of a back seat or cushy ride. I don't mean this in a bad way, but there are a hell of a lot more "sportbike" riders out there than "Buell" riders, I think it's more of a question of how many sportbikers can you win over as opposed to how many Buellers will you lose. I try to let every responsible hardcore sportbike guy I know flog the 1125 to try to spread the love. Even just useing the 1125R & 1190RS as examples shows you can easily keep both groups happy. | ||
| Sprintst |
New Manigale pics - http://motocorsa.com/featured/ducati-1199-panigale -desktop-wallpapers-manigale | ||
| Rodrob |
LMAO | ||
| Jgarner99 |
Wow... I don't think I'm ever going to be able to look at a "girly" calendar the same again... | ||
| Zac4mac |
Sprint - You ain't right man.... |
