| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
"Blake, so what you are saying is Buell half assed it when selling a $30,000 factory built race bike and advertised it as a bike to be competitive in FX. " Nope. You no read good. The meaning, apparently hidden to your great intellect, is that success in top level racing requires a LOT more than a capable machine. "According to you and many posters on Badweb,the XB is the leaps and bounds above the repliracers when it comes to handling" Nope. You're making stuff up concerning my views. I won't presume to speak to those of others. What I have stated is that the Buell XBikes offer much quicker more nimble steering than any other comparable class sport bike on the market. Street ¹ Track. Dodging an obstacle, pothole or other hazard on public roads relates little to top level road racing. Read that repeatedly to yourself again until it sinks in. Street ¹ Track. Street ¹ Track. Street ¹ Track. Street ¹ Track. "One race in two years that they finished above privateers,and thats proof that they can do it on a regular basis? " Nope. More than one. You no read good, or you intentionally divert from the question you raised, which concerned specifically whether the engine offered enough performance to support a competitive effort in FX racing. It does. It has proven so. Some bugs needed fixed. That's it. Capable Engine ¹ Race Win. Whether a team can manage to run up front is entirely a whole different issue involving a whole bunch of other factors besides the engine. Read that again and repeat it to yourself until you comprehend it. Capable Engine ¹ Race Win. Capable Engine ¹ Race Win. Capable Engine ¹ Race Win. Capable Engine ¹ Race Win. "Some of the big factory teams are having problems finding big sponsors,and H-d doesn't seem interested in helping Buell out,so good luck there." Not my problem and entirely beside the point. If you are going to ask me questions, then have the respect and courtesy to stay on subject when I answer instead of diverting to another issue. I have no desire to engage in endless meandering discussion with you. "I thought the XB was just a modified production XB.I guess it shouldn't be allowed in FX,is that what you are saying Blake?" Nope. Different ¹ Illegal in FX. It is an XB modified according to the rules for Formula Xtreme. It is simply different from the prior Buell FX machines. XBRR is different, but still 100%legal for FX. Different ¹ Illegal in FX. Different ¹ Illegal in FX. Different ¹ Illegal in FX. If you have any more questions, please save them for down the road or for someone else. I don't want to be rude, but I don't have time to entertain your questions any further. If you really want to learn what it takes to succeed in top level racing, I suggest you yourself go out and purchase the best 600cc repli-racer you can find, convert it to a pure racing/track machine, and launch a serious effort to be successful in your local club's applicable amateur racing series. That will be near infinitely removed from top level professional, factory level racing competition, but it will at least give you some idea of what, beyond having a capable machine, it takes to succeed in racing. Good day. (Message edited by blake on June 16, 2007) | ||
| Blake |
Nicozzzz, I don't think it is at all expected to be replacing a crankshaft as you are having to do. The XBRR was not intended to compete in factory level 1000cc Superbike type scenarios. It was intended to compete with 600cc Supersport (WSB spec) or AMA Formula Xtreme machines (600cc IL4, Ducati 749R and the like). So you are correct, the XBRR would not do well at all in 1000cc Superstock or Superbike against factory professional teams. It's doing well against other twin cylinder bikes in the French Pro-Twins series though, yes? It's somewhat surprising and the lion's share of credit must go to the teams and riders racing the XBRRs in France. I would not have expected XBRRs in that series to have won the last four races. Way to go French Buell racers!  | ||
| Blake |
Chevy has done wonders with its pushrod V8 in the Vette, but they invested some time and money into making that engine great. Buell just needs to pump a I agree for the most part, note my edit.  Overhead cams are the engines of the future. OHC engines have been around for over a century. The H-D pushrod scheme actually helps make for a very compact engine. For a motorcycle with a long stroke, which is what is needed for big low end power in a V-Twin, OHCs make the engine very tall, possibly too tall to fit into a sport bike. When the stroke is shortened and bore enlarged then OHC become viable for a sport bike motorcycle engine. Long stroking engines may be the engines of the future, as they offer good power at low engine speeds. Lower engine speeds allow improved fuel efficiency and lower harmful emmissions. They just cannot generate the same peak HP/cc is all. | ||
| Thepup |
Blake,great way to dodge the questions.Is the XBRR a production frame with the Uly side stampings or a whole new frame?FX rules does not allow for a non production frame,buell states that it is a production frame,is Buell lying?.Blake I seem to see alot of your post stating how superior the XB's handling is,either it's better than the repliracers or it's not,which one is it?Blake,I have no desire to go racing,I have better things to do with my time,like being there for my wife and kids,but I am not the one selling a $30,000 race ready bike that I claimed would be competitive in AMA FX.Blake we need to get you Waffle House t-shirt. | ||
| Davo |
I would like to chime in here and just make a comment regarding the push rod air cooled v twin. There is something very special about the engine and I think just about anyone would share that opinion if they attended a AMA flat track event. The XR750 will make you want to jump on a Sportster or Buell. It did/does for me. After every event I can't wait to get home and take the XL for a spin. As for the metric bikes, they are very competitive but they are not quite the same as the XR's. The push rod air cooled v twin is very special and it will be missed if it is ever abandoned. | ||
| Anonymous |
Just so everyone knows the real truth, it is absurd to say that S&S builds better quality, longer lasting motor parts than are in an XB. Rocketman is once again completely out in left field here. I watched teams in the early days of Pro Thunder and Thunderbike build up their motors with S&S stuff and it all blew up at an unbelievable rate. When they went back to H-D/Buell stuff the engines became way more reliable. Great for drag racing, 1/4 mile at a time. It is absolutely lying to say their stuff is better; it's not even close when it comes to durable, long lasting quality. Nobody in the world knows more about building pushrod A/C motors than Harley-Davidson. Nobody. | ||
| M1combat |
You don't read so good Pup... How come I can see what Blake is saying and you can't? It's either because I wear a Buell hat or because you don't. Actually... It's both . In my humble opinion you CAN see what Blake's point is but because you're more interested in being a prick you refuse to acknowledge it. You can't just drop a bike on a racetrack (even a competitive one) and expect to win. It takes development. Do you think that YOU could win on Matt Mladin's bike? Do you think that Matt could win on an undeveloped XBRR? Do you think that Matt could win on a Vespa that had the financial backing required to develop it to it's full potential? I think the answer to all of those questions would be a resounding no. Now... Give Matt a well developed XBRR and see what happens. I think you might be surprised. No one has stepped up to the plate and spent the money to develop an XBRR in FX. There have been a couple of attempts that were the best that could be done with the financial and other limitations but no one has stepped up and decided to spend the money needed to develop the bike to it's potential. IMO Buell needs to be the one to do that but they can't afford it yet. They'll get there because they have the right mind set and bikes that people apparently like. Unfortunately it probably won't be with the XBRR though. I'm sure the bike they do use will be as cool if not more so though ... | ||
| Thepup |
M1,thanks for the complement,you calling me a prick is pretty damn rich.Here is a few questions for you,did Buell advertised the XBRR as a factory built race bike for the privateer to compete in FX,has a privateer been competitive in FX?Is the XBRR chassis the same as a production XB as the rules for FX states,if it is they have been developing that chassis for 5yrs if not it should not be racing in FX.Isn't the XBRR engine just a pushrod V-Twin,hasn't H-D been in the V-Twin racing game for about 100 years.Buell was given every chance to make the XBRR competitive in FX and it hasn't. | ||
| Jiffy |
The answer to most of these posts is this. Buell and HD need to invest a lot of money and time into a racing effort. This would help prove the Buell name and help develop future street products. A big effort by Buell/HD would be fun to watch too. (Bigger than the XBRR effort.) | ||
| Skully |
Ok guys, please, getting personal just does not help validate your point.  | ||
| Thepup |
Thats the Badweb way,you can get personal as long as you are trying to defend Buell. | ||
| 07xb12scg |
I agree for the most part, note my edit. Blake: The reason I said a lot is because when is the last time Buell threw money into R&D for their engine? Besides the addition of the 12 and some minor tweaks, the engine has basically stayed the same, right? | ||
| Blake |
You meant to say "little" or "lot"? You've now said both. A little is better than none. A lot is what it would cost. | ||
| Dongalonga |
Is it just me or is this thread becoming something that needs to be moved to the XBRR board?? | ||
| 2kx1 |
YEah ,what he said ,Blake,Pup get outta here. This is the rumor thread , don't come back unless you have spy pics. | ||
| Rocketman |
Nobody in the world knows more about building pushrod A/C motors than Harley-Davidson. Nobody. Did I say otherwise? Given 100 years of doing so, it would be hard to suggest otherwise. That said, 'knowing' doesn't mean they are the best at it. Just so everyone knows the real truth, it is absurd to say that S&S builds better quality, longer lasting motor parts than are in an XB. I didn't actually say that. My comments put into the context I wrote them were suggesting if the XB engine were made to give 33% more crankshaft HP than the current models do, then Buell would have to start building in components of more higher quality, like how S&S do for example, in the hope to achieve reliability to go with such an increase in power. Such would cost more money for Buell, and for their customers. That is what I was saying. Rocket | ||
| Ducxl |
BMW is very good with pushrod engines'.Perfect balance,and wicked short pushrods.I hope they've(Buell)learned a lot from the XBRR development so they can refine my next bike.Rumor(Rumour?)is,it's going to be a street going XBRR .And that'll be fine FOR me! I just realized the simplicity of my road going Buells'.And i like it. | ||
| Buellshyter |
Wasn't there a Sportster test mule spotted in Arizona back in October with a WATER-cooled motor? ....and what motor does Buell use, again??? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Buellshyter, I think that Sportster was later confirmed to be one of the XR1200 prototypes (NOT water-cooled). | ||
| Swampdog225 |
We should all take a close examination of our reasons for being here. The reason, why we should be hear is because we love and are enthusiastic about Buell motorcycles. I know that I am. I can understand that there is a long stewing sentiment amongst a lot of people about the performance shortfalls of the XB lineup. But realistically, on the street, has anyone here actually gone 160 mph on an XB or any bike for that matter. If so, you should seriously consider seeking some psychiatric help. The bike is perfect for the street. Maybe not for the track, ...... Yet. Eventually, they will make it happen. It will be our jobs to sit here and argue and speculate about what it is that Erik & Co. have in store for us. The question really should be, if Buell does come out with new bike that will meet the extreme performance benchmarks that so many of us seem to continue to bark about, will you be satisfied with the improvements? The answer is absolutely not. The bigger question should be, if they do come out with the end all, be all buell, how many of us will run out and buy one? As for the debate that ThePup seems to be having bout the legality or competitiveness of the XBRR in FX, you should go to the AMA site and read the rules. If you have any doubt, pick up the phone and call em. I'm sure they would be more than happy to give you an explanation. Court, don't entertain this guy or anyone else, who doesn't know you personally, and doesn't see that you are a stand up guy. He and many others are very knowledgeable in CyberSpace, but in real life, have absolutely know idea about what it takes to build a motorcycle or race one. | ||
| Swampdog225 |
Oops, correction.... Blake, don't entertain this guy or anyone else, who doesn't know you personally, and doesn't see that you are a stand up guy. He and many others are very knowledgeable in CyberSpace, but in real life, have absolutely know idea about what it takes to build a motorcycle or race one. | ||
| Fx1200 |
Breaking News! Troy, WI The 2008 Buells are now in production. Factory spies have observed the following: *exciting graphics. *redesigned airbox cover *6 speed transmission *Hibrex2 belt with unlimited mileage warranty. *Improved cooling fan. *Variable valve timing (optional) *Dash display to show engine/oil temps/pressure. *Improved suspension components *Improved lighting, dual headlights for low/high beam. *Optional oil sight glass with level markings. *Hydraulic clutch (optional) *Improved fuel injection system with Econo/Performance mode. (optional) *Larger oil cooler w/cooling fan/thermostat (optional) Looking forward to their July introduction! | ||
| 2kx1 |
GOOD STUFF Fx1200, that is what I'm talkin about, just post up some pics!!!! | ||
| Jackelfox |
how, when there is on a good day at a buell dealer 2-3 bikes, not even one of each model, could a bundle of optional components be justified. Can one imagine how difficult it would be to get exactly what you're looking for? | ||
| Troll-tagged loser |
"As for the debate that ThePup seems to be having bout the legality or competitiveness of the XBRR in FX, you should go to the AMA site and read the rules. If you have any doubt, pick up the phone and call em. I'm sure they would be more than happy to give you an explanation. " Swampdog,I never said the XBRR wasn't legal in AMA,Blake and M1 said the XBRR had a different chassis than a XB,if so it would be illegal,have you read the rules?All bikes must use the same frame as the production bike,Buells get to add larger side stampings,not an all new frame.Swampdog,you make it so easy. | ||
| Troll-tagged loser |
I love it,you might want to look in the mirror before calling someone a loser though. | ||
| Bads1 |
You are the Pup. Like your new name.LOL | ||
| Sarodude |
I'd like to request that BadWeB adopt a policy addendum. That addendum should mandate that anybody who has not campaigned at LEAST one full season of at least semi-pro racing (road racing preferrably) make NO comment on Buell's racing success or failure. It amazes me when people trivialize, essentially, buying a showroom bike and campaigning a successful race season. Like all ya gotta do is add fuel & tires or some such insanity. We should all be more reasonable WRT the XBRR program. -Saro (Message edited by sarodude on June 17, 2007) | ||
| Jaimec |
What kind of rumor thread is this?? No mention of Paris or Britney?? | ||
| Troll-tagged loser |
I love it Bads1,pretty much shows the maturity of the board moderators.You want to hear whats so funny,makes me know that apparently my points are valid.You know the whole it's my ball and I am going to take it home if I don't get my way. |
