| Author | Message | ||
     Mikej |
One of the "minor" details, one they couldn't get the test rider to experiment with for some reason.  | ||
| Ray_maines |
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| Midknyte |
Fouled plug & backfire joke in 3... 2... | ||
| M1combat |
Backfires would be a good thing, and yes... the plug would be foul. | ||
| X1tx |
 stop the 'fouled plug' humor............ | ||
| Buell2001b |
you all have some good points, but i have to say it is humiliating when a 600 goes by you. I got an XB and consider myself a young guy. I would buy a BUELL for 2 reasons, its American and its the only company doign something about it. I think each bike however has its market BMW(old folks bike) 600 young people, BUELL (american proud). I would not change my BUELL for any other bike not matter how much crap i take everyday from my 600 friends. I love the fact the BUell is not liquid cool(environment friendly) however i do wish there would be a fast model, but faster then the japanese, so it becomes the leader and not a follower.I mean we make nuclear bombs and we can't make a bike that would whip the jappy bikes. come on, whats wrong. maybe Toyota owns 49 percent of HD stock) is it politics | ||
| Budo |
"humiliating when a 600 goes by you." I have been saying that for awhile. Some of the more speedy guys I know ride BMW, K bikes. A pal of mine in his 30's just bought a YZF600r Yamaha. Buell American made? Well the motor is. Look, HD has the money to do anything, period. If they want to build whatever, then they would. Look at the V-rod. If they built a street-tracker like the Mert Lawwell (www.mertlawwill.com)then I would buy it. I don't often buy a new bike, like once every decade but I would buy that because I like it alot and I mean alot, (I would dip into my retirement fund for that bike) and it would have to be less than Mert's price of $26k! yikes. So, HD/Buell does not build it because they don't want to, for whatever reason. Really, that is it, that is not in their business plan for Buell. Whatever their plan for Buell is, not that I am privy to it, it does not include a 100+hp to the ground liquid cooled motor. For reasons known only to Buell. Go ahead prove me wrong. | ||
| Blake |
Maybe because there are already a plethora of 100+hp to the ground liguid cooled motored bikes from which to choose? And they are dirt cheap too. You should buy one if that is the kind of motorcycle you crave. Meanwhile, please also explain why BMW, Ducati, and Moto Guzzi also produce air cooled sport bikes. I guess it must be for reasons known only to them.  To be passed on a long straight by a fully faired bike with more HP is "humiliating"? Suggest if that humiliates a person they need serious therapy. You know what might be closer to truly justifying humiliation?... being passed on the track on your 100+hp to the ground bike by a guy riding an antique air cooled motored less than 100 hp to the ground Buell. Bitch. | ||
| Paulinoz |
So are you saying that you can pass a a 100+ HP bike on a track with that vintage M2 of your's. What track ? What Tyres ? PS: Light blue touch paper an run like hell.  | ||
| Chris_mackay |
Seems to me that many people just want instant gratification with a bike. Just like fast food. I want it NOW! Very few want to take the time and make the commitment to become a better rider. Many of those that HAVE done the work are in Daytona right now. I've watched police chase training and horsepower rarely determines the outcome. The properly trained driver is usually able to sway things his way. I guess seeing this attitude doesn't surprise me. I now see a society that just throws money at a problem rather than deal with what is available and MAKE it work. Heck, with a credit card you too can become a "biker". OCC or dozens of others, given enough money, can make you a show winner. WOW! But does this bike reflect your skills? I think not. You can do the same thing to go fast in a straight line. Throw a ton of money at it and POOF! you're able to pass anything on the road. Skill? Naw. My point? "so it becomes the leader and not a follower" Buell does lead but many who ride them give the illusion that they are following. Run what'cha brung. Learn your bike. Can you hear it above the rest in a group? Do you know when something is just not right? If so, can you fix it? Do you know its limits? Can you take it there? You'd probably be amazed at what it can actually do in the hands of someone with the proper knowledge and skill. By all means, dream about a Buell that will take on the sportbike world! But for now, ride the tires off what they DO build! | ||
| Koz5150 |
Workin hard tonight Chris? | ||
| Chris_mackay |
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| Firemanjim |
Hey,Paul,aren't you supposed to be race prepping a Buell or something??Good luck mate,keep us posted. | ||
| Grndskpr |
Meanwhile, please also explain why BMW, Ducati, and Moto Guzzi also produce air cooled sport bikes. I guess it must be for reasons known only to them Could you be more specific as to which models please, i just want to make sure i answer the question as best i can, and it will help me define what you belive a sportbike to be thanks R | ||
| Budo |
"Maybe because there are already a plethora of 100+hp to the ground liguid cooled motored bikes from which to choose? And they are dirt cheap too. You should buy one if that is the kind of motorcycle you crave." That is good advice and I am sure many have done just that, however my impression was that Buell2001b wanted a 'Merican made bike to fit those specifications. Correct me if I am wrong. "Suggest if that humiliates a person they need serious therapy" Well if we are talking about the 20 something crowd, that is exactly how they may feel, subject to group riducle. Therapy for those guys? You bet. (Message edited by budo on March 09, 2005) (Message edited by budo on March 09, 2005) | ||
| Jlnance |
Budo - He probably did. But Blakes response makes sense to me. Buell is a nitch player. They have to be different from everyone else in order to make money. Fortunatly they are very good at being different. The more similar the Buells are to the Japaneese sport bikes, the more important it is for Buell to compete on the basis of price. They might be able to do that, but it would be difficult. The Japaneese are masters at manufacturing things cheaply. It is much better to play to your strenghts than to those of your competitors. | ||
| Ftd |
/image(rod} (Message edited by ftd on March 09, 2005) | ||
| Ftd |
Acck! Screwed up first pic. How about this one?  (Message edited by ftd on March 09, 2005) | ||
| Midknyte |
Now that looks good. Still to big & heavy. But looks good. | ||
| X1tx |
SWEET! | ||
| Blake |
Roger, How about the Duc 1000SS and/or M10000, the Beemer model that runs in the Boxer Cup, and the Moto Guzzi V11 Sport? Don't forget to compare price and performance. Buell comes out WAY on top from most any objective analysis among those bikes. Very nice artistry on that V-Rod sport. | ||
| X1tx |
But in the end the main comparison is this: When you twist with the wrist, does your grin grow in proportion to the throttle opening? Beyond that all else pales. The 1200 air cooler does this just fine. But given that there is little more addicting than horsepower, I'd at least like to 'demo ride' a 130 HP Buell. Maybe I should 'borrow' a NOS kit for a while.  | ||
| Budo |
Very nice V-rod 'sport'. | ||
| M1combat |
"But in the end the main comparison is this: When you twist with the wrist, does your grin grow in proportion to the throttle opening? Beyond that all else pales." What about the corners? | ||
| Buell2001b |
Budo you are right, im talking about an American Bike. If all i cared for speed i would have bought a jappy bike like everybody else that wants speed. I like the fact Buell is inovative,I am not complaining about Buell bikes, i love my XB and i love how it handles, but i do want to see a BUELL win a MOTOGP. I want BUELL to be on my bikes to choose from my XBOX motoGP, why should i be punished and only have a selection of jappy bikes.jk. That is why i think a new model should be developed just for racing. That way i can have that for the track. As far as the price, 10K is not bad. its cheaper then most cars. and i would rather look cool in my XB then a dork in a toyota primus,lol | ||
| Grndskpr |
How about the Duc 1000SS and/or M10000 The M10000 was a prototype only, it produced lots of torque but was hampered buy the sheer size of a 10000cc engine(actually 9999)  I dont think monsters are sport bikes so i dont feel they qualify(Ducati seems to agree they refer to it as a street fighter), the SS line however is, and has been around for a long long time, my guess(only a guess) is that they sell well, are a great alternative to the very expensive H2O cooled bikes, and are more, than likley, fairly inexpensive to produce(because they have been built for a long time and change very little over the corse of there expected life)So if a kid comes in wanting a 999 but reality sets in, and off he rides on an SS bike Hear is what Ducati says: Confidence-inspiring and built with quality throughout, the Supersport models are a great way to enter the world of Ducati sport motorcycles. They seem to consider it an entry level sport bike, kinda a way into the line, then move up(maybe as Buell is to HD???) Moto Guzzi V11 Sport Guzzi does not think this is a sportbike per there web site (http://www.motoguzzi-us.com/bikes/index.html ) so i can not comment since its not a sport bike in there opinion, plus i dont think Guzzi has been stable enuff to produce a new design since the over head cam engine that was created when guzzi was owner by Aprilla the Beemer model that runs in the Boxer Cup No idea why they made it, maybe to start the series off with existing tech,or maybe to offer something that is kinda sporty to the loyalist BMW crowd, before the Boxer what is another sportbike they made, the K1 years ago? but as it has been shown by BMW, when they wanted to build a Busa beater they went water cooled Again let me strees that i dont fault the Buell line up,(other than size) i just dont see why they can't expand there line, all of the MC companies listed with the exception of Guzzi has a water cooled bike that costs more and produces big numbers, while there may be validity to the weight issue, i have no doubt Buell could overcome that in the same way they overcame the low HP numbers of the sportster motor that has become what is riden today again just thoughts and conversation R | ||
| Buelliedan |
Buell isn't trying to sell their bikes as sport bikes either. In fact they coined the Streetfighter term didn't they? | ||
| Midknyte |
Again let me strees that i dont fault the Buell line up,(other than size) i just dont see why they can't expand there line Huh? Buell has only been in the same bed with HD since what - '98? Give 'em a little bit of time eh? The Blast and the XB's are ground up designs. Comletely new. And considering a span of only 5 years (by introduction time of the XB - 2003), that's quite amazing progress. So you've got what - a 2 year lull (2003-2005) and a rumour of 2 new models coming in July? Nobody's sitting on any hands, their own or otherwise... | ||
| Cataract2 |
Actually, didn't Harley purchase a bit of Buell in 92 and then more of Buell in 98? | ||
| Buell2001b |
BUell coming out with 2 new models? where did you hear that. has your mom been reading you stories again to get you to go to bed! jk |
