| Author | Message | ||
     Kaudette |
GS1200 Adventure for the 500 mile days XB12S for the 200 mile days 999S for the 100 mile days Bicycle for the 50 mile days To be absolutely honest, I still have not seen the point in purchasing something which will NEVER be used to over 60% of its potential... If you tour and absolutely "need" 175 mph & 200 horses, buy the Busa. | ||
| Reepicheep |
SV1000... I have been thinking about this for a while, and I think it is a witness to just how good the new Buells are. Look at the actual peak horsepower by the time the SV1000 comes out of the showroom... it was like right around 100hp, it's not that far off the XB12. This is amazing, as a 1000cc ohc water cooled oversquare twin oughta do better! The XB is light and small and agile, the SV1000 is... well... A repackaged TL1000. And it's not selling for all the same reasons the TL1000 faded into obscurity. I was one of the ones screaming for the SV1000, long before it was announced. What I wanted was an SV650 with upgraded suspension and that bigger motor. What they produced was a TL1000 with cheaper parts and SV styling. IMHO. I would still take an SV1000 over most of the race replica crowd, but I don't think I would ever be that inspired by it.... | ||
| Lovematt |
I have a 2003 SV1000S along with my XB9R. People think I am crazy sometimes because they look at the two bikes and say to me..."why did you get two of the same bike?" Yes they look similar to each other and many might think they ride the same...however the looks are the only similarities. I have had inline fours in the past along with single cylinder thumper dual sports and the one thing I have always gravitated towards is the V-Twin...their power characteristics are very usable on the street and can be fun on the track. Compared to the Buell, below is my opinion/listing of characteristics of riding and which bike is superior for that quality: Soulfullness: XB9R Character: XB9R Uniqueness: XB9R Torque: XB9R Acceleration: SV1000S Top Speed: SV1000S Turning: XB9R Highway Stability: XB9R Smoothness: SV1000S (11,000 RPM redline!) Lightness of Feel: Tough one...SV1000S...but not by much. Mileage Range: SV1000S (140-150 Miles) Long Trips: SV1000S Fun Factor: XB9R (overall...each has areas over the other) Maintenance: XB9R might be more costly in parts but easier to work on...SV1000S does need valve adjustments which XB9R doesn't need for the most part. Can't think of any more right now. I love both bikes more or less equally (I have had the SV1000S for a only a short time). It depends on the type of riding I will be doing as to which bike to take...if there are primarily twisties and not long distances then the Buell is the one to take...longer trips with more straights then the SV1000S might be the better bike. On a shorter track with lower speeds the Buell is better and longer tracks with higher speeds the SV1000S would be better. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Thanks Matt! Thats a great comparison from somebody that actually owns great bikes. Hey Buell, could you trade Matt a brand new XB12 for his XB9 so he could compare THAT to the SV1000? I would love to know how somebody that owns and rides both feels after a year...  | ||
| Lovematt |
Actually I test rode an XB12R when I was looking at buying a Buell. The dealer was nice enough to let me take it out for about 30 minutes and it was already broken in and he knew my riding abilities so he said "really" try it out like you're gonna ride it if it were yours. Comparing the 12 to the SV1000S I would say the acceleration would be closer with the 12 being better up to about 70-80 and the SV1000S in the higher speeds. The top speed, smoothness (duh), mileage range, and long trips would still be in the SV1000S court but the other qualities would still be in the 12's court. If I had a 12 I suspect the fun factor in the twisties might be even better since I tend to not rev out the motor in the corners too much. | ||
| Lovematt |
Oh yeah...forgot to say the SVs are being cleared out...I got mine for 7700 out the door. It was brand new in the crate still and never been ridden by anyone but the mechanic who prepped it (the first 3 miles) and myself. | ||
| Crip2nite |
He's also trying to sell me a brand new (2003) GSX 1000 for $9,700(0 miles) Does that sound right??? | ||
| Johncr250 |
You should be able to get a better deal on the 2003 GSXR i think. Its the end of the year the the last ones by me are going for $8800 out the door for a 2004. If you want to wait until spring the big gsxer is supposed to have 14 more hp which should be around 170 at the rear wheel. Just a few more than the XB... | ||
| Mfell2112 |
Hey Reepi I think the SV has like 118 hp. Who are we kidding here the SV would eat the XB 12 for lunch. Not only that the SV would be around long after three engine rebuilds on the Buell.90 degree BALANCED four valve water cooled vtwin motor versus the paint shaker? No contest here folks. That is like comparing a Model T to a new Corvette. Now if Buell HD wants to get serious they need to drop in a smaller more compact version of the Revo motor. Since this doesn't seem to be the plan of the MoCo we will continue to ride our wonderful fix and repair daily Buells. Yea I love mine but, I have the feeling something is gonna break on it. I know of one guy that is getting a brand new 2003 SV1000 for $7100.00 out the door. Sorry but, at that price that bike is a bargain especially when in comparision with the Buell. To be honest here it would be unfair for the Buell to be compared with this bike. I hate to say it but, the Suzuki is the superior machine. A damn shame but, it is the truth. Regards Mike | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
So when you picking up that SV Mike? | ||
| Spike |
For those of you who like the SV- good for you. It's a fine bike, really. But please, don't try to tell the rest of us that it's "superior" to an XB. They're completely different animals. Mike L. '04 XB12R | ||
| BadS1 |
Ummm Mike the SV1000 is 111hp and 70 ft.lbs. torque.And as far as reliability you don't know what your talk'n about the XB's are very reliable.Sorry your having such a bad time with yours.Maybe you should trade it in on a new brand. | ||
| Blake |
Mike, Why are you here? I don't come to this site, a Buell enthusiasts' site to hear some self -proclaimed idiot motorcycle critic spouting bullshit about how much better a Suzuki is compared to a Buell. Do you get that? Does everyone get that? If you feel the need to put-down Buell motorcycles, please do it elsewhere. This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. Repeat... This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. This is not the bastion collection of subjective opinions nor of objective comparative analysis for motorcycles. This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. Repeat... This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. If you are not a Buell enthusiasts, please do not post here. This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. Repeat... This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. Did I make that clear enough for everyone? This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. Repeat... This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. If you are not a Buell enthusiasts, please post your Buell put-downs and such on another discussion forum, like the ones at www.motorcycle.com or www.sacborg.com . This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. Repeat... This is a Buell enthusiasts' site. Comprendé? If not, please leave the site. | ||
| Pdxs3t |
RIGHT ON BLAKE | ||
| Crip2nite |
Anyways.... My wife "talked" me out of purchasing any new bike for now as we have some serious home repairs and other stuff to do first. "You have a Buell. What the hell do you need another bike for??" WOMEN!!! You can't live with them, you can't stuff 'em in the basement closet and use 'em when u need 'em!! | ||
| Court |
>>>>Now if Buell HD wants to get serious Mike, if you are as smart as you sound, I'd expect a call from Buell today. It amazes me, after 20 years of Buellin', that they have survived absent your strategic and marketing wisdom. Thank goodness you found us in time to save us....All hail Mike! Court | ||
| Jmartz |
SV's have ugly thick frames. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Agreed. I dont like the SV1000 at all. Very uncomfortable & ugly. I liked the previous version of the SV650 which actually had an oval tubed frame, but the newer versions lost that appeal. | ||
| Rick_a |
I saw a 'Busa in a Streetfighter's magazine stripped to the bone, everything left replaced with carbon fiber, aluminum alloy, and magnesium...and a killer motor. That would be cool. | ||
| Johncr250 |
Blake, So you only want people to blow sunshine up your ••• about Buells? You don`t want to hear about people`s experiences with Buells that don`t talk about Buell`s as the greatest bikes on earth. Well i love Buells too, and like other people here i know they are far from the best bikes and have had more than their share of problems. | ||
| Johncr250 |
And bye the way i thing the SV`s are very ugly looking too. But for seven grand they are a bargin. | ||
| Mikej |
 Imagelinked from http://www1.suzuki.co.jp/motor/sv1000/images/sty_33j.jpg (I'd post a pic from the Buell site but I can't get there no more due to my "obsolete" software/browser here. 'tubin the day away.) | ||
| Reepicheep |
Yikes! Sorry I stirred all this up in the first place. I read an objective dyno report from a factory SV1000, and remember thinking "Hell, thats not that far off of a factory XB12!". It suprised me, because (IMHO) the *only* thing I thought the SV1000 had going for it was that motor. Given the fact that it is water cooled, DOHC, 60 degree, and counterbalanced, I expected it to have FAR more margin over a stock XB12 motor. The specs I saw were unimpressive. The SV650 is a great entry / transitional bike and an excellent middleweight twin. Light, affordable, reliable, available, and flexible. A noble motorcycle in a noble niche with a noble history. The XB is a fantastic "destination" bike (like for when the SV rider gets bored  ). I believe that if you take an SV 650, make the suspension and brake updates necessary to put it even close to an XB, you will find yourself having spent more money for an uglier, less interesting, and less satisfying bike. As for the SV1000... well... it ain't. They just made another TL-1000, and relabeled it as an SV1000. The TL-1000 may have been a greatly under appreciated bike, but I still wouldn't want one. (aack! why am I throwing chum into a feeding frenzy!?!?) | ||
| Ceejay |
I still like the idea of throwing her in the closet and taking her out when you need her, problem is that she winds up a crumpled shrunken mess on the floor. | ||
| Spinzealot |
well you do have to feed them...  | ||
| Ceejay |
oh, is that what that hole is for | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
I dunno...this years blacked out version looks ok to me. Still wouldn't trade my XB for it. (It would make for a good addition though...)  | ||
| Crip2nite |
How's $10,900.00 for a 2004 R1??? | ||
| Ray_maines |
ANYTHING that you could do to hide that super ugly frame is a good thing. Paint it black, paint it camo, better yet redesign it. I love the bike but it's ugly. Not only that, but it's ugly in an ugly sort of way. The Buell S1's are ugly, but they're the coolest bikes ever built. The Suzuki is ugly ugly. | ||
| Mfell2112 |
Dyna I am not gonna get the SV. I love my Cyclone. The fact is Buell doesn't have a motor that compares to that wonderful Suzuki V twin. Sure I love the paint shaker. It has soul and torque but,(Yea you knew there would be a but in there)with all of its short comings this motor needs at least a balancer. This way my ride wouldn't shake itself to pieces. I like my bike. I like my tail section. When my tail section cracks due to excessive vibration I am not a happy person. All in all my favorite street bike is the Cyclone despite its short comings. Indeed I am a Buell enthusiest but, I am not gonna hide the problems my bikes has. You want Buell to make better more reliable bikes(Which they have done)you need to discuss the problems they are having or have had. And the root to all of Buells problems stem from the motor. Dyna you going to the Crud run? We are meeting at Starbucks in Lake Geneva at 7:00 am Sunday. Ride up with us if you can. Regards Mike |
