| Author | Message | ||
     Mfell2112 |
The torque feels stronger then an XB 12? I don't think so Dyna. I demoed an XB 12 recently at Uke's. That bike would eat my M2 alive. It had more power everywhere and seemed to deliever the power in a smoother fashion. Mike | ||
| BadS1 |
I'll second that one Dyna.Since I've been and am at both ends of that spectrum. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
I wouldn't put my XB12 against Bartimus' S1 OR S2... | ||
| BadS1 |
Those aren't stock Wycked.In stock form though the 12's gott'em | ||
| Davegess |
Blake I think the XB has some parts in common with the 57, actually it might have some parts in older than that. Look at the suffix on the parts used on the connection rods and the like. That number represents the year and if it does not have s letter after it than it has never been revised. I wonder what the oldest part on the XB motor is? Not to say that the motor has much to do with a sporty however. I do like the idea of a redesign to get the best aircooled engine you could get, bet that would be interesting. | ||
| Ray_maines |
I don't know if this has anything to do with anything, but....... As I prowl around on other BBS's I notice that people quit whining about the need for more HP at about the 100-110 rear wheel HP level. Everybody wants their bike to run properly so there will always be a market for slip on mufflers, PC III's and K&N air filters but nobody starts threads like this on the Triumph/Yamaha/Suzuki/etc. BBS's. BMC could end about 50% of this nonsense if they built a motor that customers actually want. I've said before and I still believe that one of these days HD/Buell is going to have decide whether they are going to forever build what HD wants or what the customer wants. Are they going to forever be the R&D department for HD Sportsters or real sports bikes? Hey, whatever works for HDI. | ||
| Aesquire |
If I win the Lotto.... I'll buy a XB. Maybe a XB9S, & go big bore? Until then, I'll keep teasing the R1's etc. by hammering up to 70 & then backing off. I nearly "made" a guy crash last week, total stranger on I-390, I was getting out of the way of some semi's, just rolled on as I came up to the 390/590 split ( on camber left sweeper ) banked it over and saw a Kawa sumtin going for the inside lane in my mirror. I kept to the outside & gave a little wave and go ahead gesture, still on the throttle & sitting upright. He got seriously out of shape trying to pass me, I was not paying attention to my speed & was well over 90 & I see sparks coming from under his bike, he's hanging way off & still doesn't have the clearance for that speed on that turn. I backed off & got out of his way as he speed wobbled across 2 lanes & just missed nailing the retaining wall.. scared the crap outa me. Maybe Xb heads on the Cyclone this winter? Stage 2 or 3 with torque cams? | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Until then, I'll keep teasing the R1's etc. by hammering up to 70 & then backing off. Thanks for the chuckle  Its good to see some of you havent lost your sense of humor. Im going to spare you the posting of any 0-60 times or roll ons from 40-60 & 60-80. | ||
| Aesquire |
I thought you'd catch that one! I don't doubt the other bikes I see are faster, & I usually ride mellow, dude. But the dopes that pull up at lights & rev, rev, rev, always blow the takeoff, & I'm at 70 by the time they get it together. They then pass me as I short shift to 5th, & go to cruise mode. I think of it as a Psychological slingshot effect. I'm a (truck)driver all damn day, & note that many people's speed is controlled by ego, or they just blindly tailgate along. | ||
| Blake |
Hello, my name is Greg, and my entire ego and self-esteem depend on my model of motorcycle being faster than yours. | ||
| M1combat |
"Im going to spare you the posting of any 0-60 times or roll ons from 40-60 & 60-80." Too bad you HAVE to spare us lap times for highly technical tracks and back road runs... | ||
| Court |
>>>What Blake said. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Nope...just faster than Blakes | ||
| Johncr250 |
A new R1 pulls harder in 4th gear than a cyclone pulls in first gear. Aesquire, were you sweating when you woke up for you little highway dream? | ||
| Spiderman |
I've got the light bulbs!! | ||
| Reepicheep |
News Flash... A Yamaha R1 is more powerfull then a Buell. Gotit... Thanks for the update... | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
wow really an r1 is more powerful than a buell i didnt know that  | ||
| Johncr250 |
Well it seems some people would still differ. | ||
| Budo |
Back to the motor debate. I forgot until I re-read an old post. HD considers the Buell line as a feeder to their 'real' motorcycles. So if you put a different type motor in the Buell you would no longer have the connection to the HD motorcycles. If you imagine the current motor in the Buell is close enough to a Sporster to be family you see how that can work. Several Buell owners have talked about walking into their dealership and having the sales person talk to them about stepping up to a real motorcycle, ie big-twin. (Message edited by Budo on September 03, 2004) | ||
| Reepicheep |
Just because someone ignorant (who may work for Harley Davidson, or may not) says something stupid like that, it won't dictate terms while Erik Buell still has a pulse. Development of the XB had to cost a freaking fortune. That money sure as hell did not come from selling Blasts. If the real view of HD was to create a Harley entry point, the XB would look nothing like, well, an XB, it would look like, well, a sporster. The two companies are joined, so they would be fools to ignore ways they can help each other. There is only one thing common between a Buell and a Harley, and thats the engine. It's obvious (to me anyway). During the tube framer days, Buells ran Harley engines. With the introduction of the XB's, it now seems obvious to me that Sportsters now run Buell engines. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
But the R1 just don't have a soul like my S1 does. I don't care about top speed, roll on speed I just want something that handles very well, stops good and on a twisty back road can make you smile. There is just something about the S1 that is so damm appealing!!! | ||
| Budo |
HDI owns Buell, while Erik is a executive, (I forget his title) I do not think he is calling the shots. HDI holds the purse strings, the people who pay your salary and fund your projects get to tell you what to do. Buell has been in the red from day one (under HD ownership), or at least that is my impression. XB platform cost alot to develop, you bet it did, how much did the V-rod cost to develop, plenty. Who paid for all that, HDI did. Buells sell so few bikes I doubt they will ever pay for themselves, so why continue to support the line? To draw a different crowd (non HD) into HD dealerships and thus into the HD family. I want Court or Blake or Dave S to weigh in on this because they are in the know. (Message edited by Budo on September 03, 2004) | ||
| Budo |
"There's plenty of overpriced gutless bikes out there. That's the price you pay for exclusivity. BMW R1200RS Ducati 1000SS, M1000 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport " I have experienced a epiphany. Now I get it. Thanks for clearing that up. I promise to no longer whine about wanting a 100rwhp motor, because that is not what Buell is about. See the list above. (Message edited by Budo on September 03, 2004) | ||
| Reepicheep |
Thats just it... if Harley came down tomorrow and told Erik Buell that Buell Motorcycles is exclusively a Harley feeder organ, how long do you think it would be before he was out the door, the top 80% of the Buell talent pool right behind him, and starting a new company to build the bikes he wants to build? Harley is smart enough not to do that. They have a long range vision, and have put the necessary tools, people, and money into getting an incredibly innovative platform to my local dealer floor. If the XB9s was supposed to be the bike to get me to trade in my Cyclone on a Harley, somebody at Buell REALLY screwed up. If it is supposed to be they bike that gets me to trade in my Cyclone for a Buell, then they hit the ball out of the park. The XBxS is probably the most Buellish (and least Harleyish) Buell since the S1. The blast may be the one exception. I think it is a entry / feeder bike for ALL manufacturers, not just Harley and Buell. Even then, Buell screwed up. It turns out the Blast (unlike a ninja 250) is a pretty good all around bike for a lot of people, Buell never quite got the planned obsolesence part right  | ||
| Budo |
"If the XB9s was supposed to be the bike to get me to trade in my Cyclone on a Harley, somebody at Buell REALLY screwed up. If it is supposed to be they bike that gets me to trade in my Cyclone for a Buell, then they hit the ball out of the park. " Sure if they wanted to sell another Buell to a current Buell owner, but if they wanted to convert someone from another brand then they failed with you. | ||
| M1combat |
"but if they wanted to convert someone from another brand then they failed with you." I don't agree. The XB will gain momentum quickly and will reach critical mass at some point. Every squid I've ever talked to (and not just answered the "how fast is it?" question) has expressed what looked to me to be genuine interest. As soon as I explain the point behind the ZTL system and the fact that Buell took a look at all the parts and attempted to make all of them serve more than one purpose they start looking over the bike with a certain interest. I tell them that there's hardly anything that'll keep up on a technical mountain road but as soon as you get to a straight stretch they can't keep up... I then tell them that this fact has saved me a LOT of tickets and at that point they tend to start to get "the point". Buell will do very well. They're just new in the game of having a bike that "looks really cool" to the younger crowd. Once you give them the Buell pitch, they get very interested. | ||
| Aesquire |
"A new R1 pulls harder in 4th gear than a cyclone pulls in first gear." I believe it! When they pass me, Busa's especially, they are going like a raped ape! Heck I'm still learning how to launch my Cyclone without looking at the sky. I'm not even that good on reaction time, but the local squids are, for the most part, worse. I'll bet Dyna could kick my figurative butt in a drag, no matter which bike he was on. I admit to not mentioning the times the R1's etc. just flat out leave me, (at will if they had a clue ) but I so love to run up to the speed limit ( or so )in a spirited manner, then cruise. I am really trying to keep the license. When I back off, usually at the end of a freeway on ramp, & carefully merge with traffic, I watch for the overtakers, the guys that were too busy profiling to catch the light, or burned rubber while I left, smoothly, but quick. I've been passed by bikes going well over a hundred, many times. | ||
| Daves |
Slightly off topic here, but I don't think it's been mentioned before. Buell has a new guy at the helm! Jon Flickinger has been named President and COO of Buell as of Aug 11th 2004. John Hevey has been moved to VP of Strategic planning and new business development. Thanks to John for 4 years of doing a great job at Buell and Congrats to Jon on his new position and I'm sure we have great things to come! (hmmm, maybe if my name was John or Jon I could get a job there!) Ride to the edge! Dave | ||
| Anonymous |
The conversion of competitive brand buyers to XBs is much higher than it was with tube-frame bikes. The majority of tube frame buyers were H-D owners, while they are significantly the minority of XB buyers. It's a record year for Buell twin sales. So if the goal was to bring new customers into the corporation, then hey, home run! Also, the goal wasn't to get the guys who have to have super high-horsepower bikes, or measure purchase by dollars per horsepower. There are plenty of bikes around for these guys, and many of them are selling in smaller numbers than the XB's. No sense in competing for that market. | ||
| M1combat |
Anyone have any history on these two guys? I assume they are race friendly... |
