| Author | Message | ||
     Cochise |
Cash for clunkers is a good program, but it is a PAIN IN THE BUTT. We sold ten cars in one day and 7 were CFC deals. One problem is, the government did all of this WITHOUT a single car dealership person working on it. You have to have 1 CONTINUOUS year of Insurance AND Registration or no money. I have one deal where the customer told me he had a complete year of reg and ins, we did the deal and now his actual P.O.S., which is really only worth $250, if the guy bidding it is blind, and we gave him $4500 because he bought a Civic. No all of a sudden, he has the vehicle he "bought" without the proof he said he had about his registration and we have to get his car back. She says, we signed the contract it's our car. I tell her, Yes, but you signed under the pretense that you had all info needed, but you didn't. We started taking in cars on Monday. We tried to "turn in" the cars the system was so backed up we still don't have all of the cars paid for from the Gub Mint. We have $250,000 worth of cars in the back that the government hasn't funded yet, and they may not. CFC helps the junk yards, because, although the car is destroyed, with the engine, the rest of the car can be sold for parts. The wheels, the tranny, the doors, just not the engine. They're trying to keep them off the road, not let them go into other vehicles. Don't forget, if the car being "clunked" is a good enough vehicle, we just give them the $4500, or whatever else, we just re-sell the vehicle and give them what they need for vehicle and lose the paperwork process. Am I for the bill? Depends on what kind of car. If somebody needs a new car, but they can't afford the payments because their car is only worth $100, they get $3400 or $4400 more towards the car of their dreams, just don't go back and destroy my '70 Chevy. (Message edited by cochise on August 01, 2009) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
They cu3in cars now.... yeh Keep your damn grimey gubnment hands out of my garage. Gobnment healthcare?!? any of y'all retired out of the service? How you liking Tricare? I just cant understand when and why the administration (s) need to stick their nubby lil meddlin fingers in everything. Things Fail, businesses die, products dont meet price demand quality should meet the market forces and faulter accordingly. I dont see anybody out they crying for the Pet Rock. Bring us your used kitty litter and we will give you credit to one free range Pet Rock! | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
If you want to have some fun . . . . look at the background of some of the richest folks in the United States. . . . LOTS of them are in the Congress DEMANDING a health care bill immediately . . . . What's the old phrase . . . "follow the money". If you take a drive with me through Maryland, D.C. and Virginia I can show you were the money is. All this health care reform is nothing more than a theft. A stealing of an industry from the private sector and giving control of it to the public sector. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Hmm.. I sort of want to stop by a dealership and ask if my 1987 Civic qualifies for this. The response should be interesting.. I don't think they could find me a new car that competes with the 35mpg city / 40mpg highway that I'm getting now. | ||
| Etennuly |
OK. So we have determined there is a problem. How do we stop the bleeding? Have not heard one person mention impeachment. Maybe it is time. I don't mean a BS public out cry, I mean for real. This theft, this fleecing has to stop! It is our money, it is our country, it is our home. All of that is soon to be 'was'. | ||
| Froggy |
Pkforbes87, depending on which civic you got (fueleconomy.gov lists like 12 variants), you could easily get a Prius or any Buell. | ||
| Gregtonn |
To qualify as a clunker a vehicle must be EPA listed at less than 18 MPG. G | ||
| Court |
I do find myself drawn by the lure of ditching the Ford pickup in favor of a new Porsche . . . seems like the least I can do to help.  | ||
| Blake |
I was all set to get some of my taxes back, but my darn '86 Nissan truckette was rated new at 18 city, 23 hwy, over the limit! Curse the man! | ||
| Gregtonn |
Blake, Are you aware of this yet? Say what you want about the Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck and his antics, but to give credit where credit is due, he exposed some disturbing language from the Obama administration's "Cash for Clunker" program Web site Cars.gov. Beck on his July 31 program hosted a segment about the Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS) Web site, also known as "Cash for Clunkers" and demonstrated what a Web browser would encounter when logging on to the system. "Here is Cars.gov. Let's say you go in, if I understand this right - I go in and I say, ‘I want to turn in my clunker.' The dealer goes to Cars.gov, and then they hit submit transaction. Here it says, ‘Privacy Act & Security Statement,' and you're just like, ‘Oh, it's the Privacy Act of 1974. Whatever, I agree. Now, this is how bad this system is." However, once the Web operator proceeds beyond that point in the dealers section - the government has some very frightening language about what authority they have over your computer posted, as Beck reported. Ordinary consumers wouldn't encounter this warning, but the information contained in the dealer's computers might include theirs. "A warning box comes up, and it says, ‘This application provides to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States government,'" Beck read. "‘Any and all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.'" "Good God almighty!" Beck said. Kimberly Guilfoyle, a legal analyst for Fox News interpreted the language to mean the government has very broad authority over your computer - including the ability to seize personal and private information. "Could it be any more broad or frightening?" Guilfoyle said. "Here you are trying to be a good citizen and make a charitable contribution, do something that's good and guess what - they are jumping right inside you, seizing all of your personal and private information and it's absolutely legal Glenn." Guilfoyle also said legally the government can use Web software to track your computer any time they want once you've logged into the site. "They can continue to track you basically forever," Guilfoyle said. "Once they've tapped into your system, and the government of course has like malware systems and tracking cookies - they can tap in any time they want." http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/07/31/ beck-exposes-cash-clunkers-language-giving-feds-au thority-take-control-co G | ||
| Husky |
Court, I think the program limits the replacement vehicle value to $45k max! Husky | ||
| Blake |
Greg, Every web site uses cookies. Some use tracking cookies. BadWeB has never and will never use tracking cookies. But they are easy to defeat. You simply delete them from your browser cache. Better, don't allow them to be saved in the first place. If it's the dealer's computer, I could care less. It's the dealer's concern, not mine. What exactly do you imagine the government DOESN'T know about me that they could hope to learn from a car dealership? LOL. | ||
| Gregtonn |
...If it's the dealer's computer, I could care less... I'm well aware of the cookies thing. I scrub my browser regularly. What I'm more concerned with is the attitude of, "Once you log in here we own your computer." How many other .gov sites contain the same Privacy Act & Security Statement? Do really think some government geek couldn't hack your computer after you have given your permission? G | ||
| Froggy |
Fox news as usual is overblowing thing. If the government was gonna hack your computer, they wouldn't need you to go to the CARS website. Also, if it really bugs you, use a public computer. BTW I am a government employed geek. | ||
| Chellem |
If it's the dealer's computer, I could care less. It's the dealer's concern, not mine. Well, it bothers ME, since I'm a dealer. Not a car dealer, but still, I mean, do I want the government in my computer system? Analysing my customer base? My web-searching habits? My emails? Hell, I use a laptop at home and at work, would it still count as a "government" computer once I plug it in at home? The argument that starts out "well if you don't have anything to hide, what are you worried about" ends badly for everyone. I'm sure this is just the start. They could work that language into, what, logging into the IRS site to check the status of your income tax return? Download W-4 forms? I guess if you guys are all ok with it, maybe I'm just being a little paranoid. Or maybe they really are out to get me. Either way, I'm certainly not going to INVITE them in. Agree to some terms. If they want to hack me, I guess I can't stop them - but it would be illegal. This completely legalizes it. Like handing them the keys to your house and letting them in. Sure, they could get in without you knowing if they want, but it would be illegal. It's the same thing. Just, keep the damn gubment OUT OF MY LIFE!!!! OUT OF MY HOUSE!! OUT OF MY COMPUTER!!! ->ChelleM | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
HEY!! the WV BUELL RALLY is in 12 DAYS!! Is this the Clunkers Act?? ... Kinda like the Patriot Act... but more sneaky... We'll be watching you!! | ||
| Gregtonn |
"When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States government. Any and all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign." If that doesn't bother you then this shouldn't either: "Give us access to all of your legal documents, account numbers, keys, titles, deeds, passwords, combinations and safety deposit boxes. Don't worry we'll take good care of them we're the Government." G | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Cash for clunkers is not "green",no matter how you look at it.A few bits here and there on the old clunker..... and it's good to go,crush it and replace it with a whole new platform and you've wasted more resources "dust to dust" than you ever saved. Conservation is the only salvation........ | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
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| Ferris_von_bueller |
If the government was gonna hack your computer, they wouldn't need you to go to the CARS website. You're right but they would need a warrant or your PERMISSION, which is what they are getting when you voluntarily interact with the web site. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Don't log on then. ..PERMISSION,which is what they are getting when you voluntarily interact with the web site. At least they are putting up a warning. CFC is a just another damn subsidy. $3B now. I'm glad we're spending our grandchildren's money so people can buy new cars now. People that probably have no business buying a new car anyway. I hear the buggy-whip industry is struggling these days, lets throw a couple billion at them while we're at it. | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
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| Cityxslicker |
If the gubnement really wanted into your files, they would get there. Very few systems require more than a fone call and a skript kiddie to do it. they are already recording, accessing and scanning gigmgs of info with keyword scrubbers. Theres SO much raw data that they really cant do anything usefull with it; until they decide you are a subject of interest. then katie bar the door. Do a lil open source research on DARPA, Bell Labs, Sun, and NSA; who do you really think owns that network ? Just wait until they start requiring National Health cards and eligibility to get service.... HIPPA aint gonna save ya. When the fat kid is watching the donuts, do you really wonder when some go missing>? | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
When the fat kid is watching the donuts, do you really wonder when some go missing>? Damn that fat kid!!! I guess I owe Krispy Kreme an apology. | ||
| Court |
>>>CFC is a just another damn subsidy. $3B Actually since the feds are now sellers . . . . hell . . why not become the buyer too? Be kinda cool if your business was in the crapper if all you had to do was take several billion from folks who worked for you and give it to folks so they'd buy from you . . . . Am I missing something . . . . | ||
| Crackhead |
like anyone is going to touch a crappy chevy with a 10 ft pole? The government doesn't own Ford or the foreign brands. | ||
| Chellem |
http://www.sbabg.org/2009/08/03/cash-for-clunkers- is-a-modern-day-version-of-the-broken-window-falla cy/ Is it good news for the community if a window is broken by a hoodlum? The window maker gets to sell a window, the window builders get to wholesale a window - why don't we just break ALL the windows in the community and then use tax money to replace them? Get all the hoodlums out with their bricks! Sounds like a GREAT idea, right? Hmmm... ->ChelleM | ||
| Sarodude |
It's a good thing we don't do this sort of stuff as a matter of foreign policy. -Saro | ||
| Crackhead |
The problem with the window braking analogy is that there are people like me that have, 1. been smart with money 2. have been holding out for deals 3. have 900+ credit score 4. are driving an old until the wheels fall off to save money The CFC benfits people that have been smart with their money all along. Because we have the $ to spend right now on a car. This is finally a program that rewards money smart people. The rest of you shut the •••• up. Just because your credit score is below 500 and you don't qualify or your driving around in a new Esclade. I will laugh my way to the tune of $4500 for my worn out high mileage car that is only worth $500. Humm Ford focus $16,000 - $4,500 (CFC) - $1,500 (rebate) + 0% = $10,000 for a new car. If i didn't just buy a car 1 month ago i would be all over the $ from you bad $ managers. | ||
| Chellem |
The problem with the window braking analogy is that there are people like me that have, 1. been smart with money 2. have been holding out for deals 3. have 900+ credit score 4. are driving an old until the wheels fall off to save money The CFC benfits people that have been smart with their money all along. Because we have the $ to spend right now on a car. Um, actually, this benefits anyone who has a qualifying car with an actual value less than the $3500 - $4500 the government is giving out. You think only people who HAVE the money are going to buy a new car? Is there some stipulation that you can't finance the cars well beyond your means? If there is, then you're right. But the ads I've seen have all mentioned awesome financing deals. That means even people who haven't been smart with money can continue to be not-smart with money if they so choose. After all, it wouldn't be fair to discriminate against people who can't afford things! So, good for you for being responsible, but you are NOT the only person benefiting. Lots of people who should NOT be taking on more debt are likely to do so. ->ChelleM |
