| Author | Message | ||
     Firebolt020283 |
I think this program is BS. A car has to be an 84 or older which is 25 years old, which i thought was considered classic. Also they plan to crush these cars instead of reselling them. So to me who likes classic cars is getting a big huge FU from the government by them saying they want to crush all classic cars so every one can drive smart cars and daywoos. | ||
| Patches |
Court "GM . . just like real humans who have become dependent on the government for "entitlements" is on their ass waiting for the feds to "help" with the cash for clunkers program." "I wouldn't buy a GM car if I got $10,000. There's something about buying a long term "durable" good from a company in bankruptcy." You have Deep Pockets and Job Security. God Bless you Sir. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
They are just searching for funding to keep it going. I wonder if its too late to get bailouts back from AIG, GM and others. We could really do some economy stimulating with our own money. What if we took back that nice trip to las vegas the social security bosses took. Thats $700,000 or so. Hey, we could just limit michelles shopping to regular folk shopping centers. No more $600 dollar sneakers or $1500 dollar purses. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
A car has to be an 84 or older which is 25 years old 1984 or newer.... not older. | ||
| Court |
>>>You have Deep Pockets and Job Security. Wonderful but that's unrelated. The lazy, be they people or companies, who patiently sit, wait, spend food stamps buying lottery tickets, bitch and moan awaiting someone to cure their situation have enjoyed the same fate since time began. Unfortunately, not until this year, have they reached sufficient numbers to elect a leader. The same means and methods that fail on the street at the micro level will fail on a national level at a macro level. Meantime the small of mind, instead of looking for real solutions, will busy themselves complaining about "big bonuses" and "Chinese manufacturing". Imagine . . . for a second . . what the impact might have been had, instead of spending $878,000,000,000 over the next 5 years (most of it conveniently in election year when Congress is up for election) they had instead enacted an income tax moratorium. Imagine that all these folks running around were getting and extra $500 in their check each week. They'd either SAVE it - good for banks and financial institutions. or SPEND IT - good for business, creates jobs and multiplies and the businesses they spent at buy more crud. It's very simple. Unfortunately . . . . so are those at the wheel. | ||
| Moxnix |
“Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.” -- Douglas Adams We may be seeing significant early signs of the wheels falling off the miscarriage. I can't predict the future, but do study the past. I like people with deep pockets. They are role models to emulate. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
ok disregard i read it wrong. I could care less about this bill then as long as it is not aimed at classic cars like i thought it was from the first article i read about it but it must have been a typo | ||
| Court |
>>>I like people with deep pockets. If you want to have some fun . . . . look at the background of some of the richest folks in the United States. . . . LOTS of them are in the Congress DEMANDING a health care bill immediately . . . . What's the old phrase . . . "follow the money".
Take a look at Michelle Obama's salary, as a hospital employee, for the 3 years prior to today. | ||
| Patches |
"The lazy, be they people or companies, who patiently sit, wait, spend food stamps buying lottery tickets, bitch and moan awaiting someone to cure their situation have enjoyed the same fate since time began." "Meantime the small of mind, instead of looking for real solutions, will busy themselves complaining about "big bonuses" and "Chinese manufacturing"." Nobody is Unreplaceable.(Job Security) Prosperity Today- Tyranny Tomorrow, Nobody is Safe from what may come. May your Ride be Trouble Free and Uneventful. Ride Safe. God Bless All | ||
| Strokizator |
An income tax moratorium would never work. Once people realized just how much they paid each week - how much more they could do with their own money - they'd never voluntarily go back to weekly withholding. The Feds know this and are scared to death the public may ever figure it out. A lot of people believe they pay no taxes. Several have told me "Oh, I don't pay taxes, I get money back." This is the type of person the DNC counts on come election time. | ||
| Kyrocket |
I'm just looking at it as another way to penalize someone who has been trying to do the right thing anyway. First, someone buys too much house, let's bail 'em out. Now they drive an inefficient car, let's give 'em $4500. WTF I pay my mortgage and drive a 13 yr. old Toyota that gets good mileage. As a code enforcement officer I see welfare slugs beating the system every day, seems like the rules aren't to be followed anymore. | ||
| Moxnix |
Cheez, I'd better define my definition of "people with deep pockets," as Ms. Boxer, et al, are not regular folk, deep pockets or not. The folk I admire understand history, economics, trust and mistrust, and "how the system works." Couple of weeks back, as my 10-year old son and I left after a visit in the high rent district, he spotted two stone lions in front of the old mansion across the street, said he'd like a house like that some day. I told him to stop watching Sponge Bob and pay attention in school. | ||
| Swordsman |
I haven't read any of this thread, but I was driving past the local Kia dealership yesterday and something caught my eye. Right out next to the road was one of those gigantic metal dumpsters used in construction, and there was a faded red 1980-something Camaro upeneded in it! Had a big banner across the front promoting the clunker deal. Thought it was some pretty cool marketing. Very strange to see a car in a dumpster. ~SM | ||
| Kyrocket |
Same here Swordsman, I was watching on the boob tube some pics and video that was taken at some dealerships with banners and cars marked up with spray paint and as they panned around I saw a '94 or '95 Chevy Impala with the bunch. Aren't those pretty collectible now, I mean last I checked they were still somewhere around 20K in good shape. | ||
| Ducxl |
Froggy,that youtube post made me sick.What a utter waste of useful machinery. COURT,what's the solution to this mess? Or WHO? I've been hearing chatter of Mitt. | ||
| Rubberdown |
"What a utter waste of useful machinery." Kinda like crushing a Blast. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
"Oh, I don't pay taxes, I get money back." Yeah Stok, unfortunately I know several people that think that way. Good news, I heard they voted to go ahead and add another $2B to that subsidy. What a fkin crock. Damn, I'm so sick of this place. Don't get me wrong Ive been to alot of crappy places over the years and still believe this is the best country on earth. But that's like saying you've got the cleanest pig in the pigstye. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Or WHO? I've been hearing chatter of Mitt. Tough to say. Interesting to read Lee Iacocca "Where Have All The Leaders Gone". The "WHO" question is, perhaps, less pressing than "WHAT". I think a big first step it trying to get a populous to look at character and content rather than charisma and cronies. We may be a way off. It's unfortunate that we have allowed the system to be shaped in such a fashion as to make it a club for the wealthy and folks who have little, beyond sufficient rhetoric to get re-elected, concern for citizens. Look . . . in the instant debate there is no one, even among conservatives, who wants to deny anyone proper health care or any of the other component that generally fuel the "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" dream. But we've become a nation of ambulance chasers . . . . each hoping for that fortunate broken arm to allow us to claim our rightful fortune to get the Escalade without working. Fix the basics . . . the character and content and I'll bet you folks who wouldn't even consider heeding the call now will start appearing. Just a thought . . . . | ||
| Deadduck |
"COURT,what's the solution to this mess? Or WHO? I've been hearing chatter of Mitt." Do your homework and study the people who are willing to put their names out there as solutionalist. Politicians are all the same, doesn't matter what party affiliation, find the possible candidate that supports and LIVES by the values that you do, and then promote the crap out of them. My feeling is that the candidate that we need to turn this whole mess around, is not willing to go through the scrutiny associated with politics. The ones that are willing and have the dream of making America the best nation in the world again are considered whack jobs, racists, or something else. My opinion is that we need a political party made up Americans that believe and stand up for the Constitution in its original form. At one time, I was proud to be a Republican, but after viewing the circus that encompasses all labeled politicians, I have reverted to just becoming a Constitutionalist American http://www.theccponline.com/ and I will continue to vote for the representatives that believe as I do. Unfortunately, it seems that our great nation is full of sheep that wait on what talk show host or news programs tell us to follow, so my candidate will probably never win a general election. As a Buell owner, you have proven that you don't care what the main stream believes or pushes on people, so it is time now to continue to think for yourself and find someone to represent you that is not part of the main stream yet. It's okay to be the black sheep. sidenote: Before going to Mitt for any answers, one should look at the shape his health care plan is in in Mass. | ||
| Reindog |
What about Cash for Countries? China will be trading in the United States for soon to be more vibrant markets. What about Cash for Cripples? Trade in grandma for $4500 and ship her organs to China. (This one is attributed to Glen Beck). Congress just authorized another $2B for Cash for Clunkers. Amazing. I'm with Court. I would not CONSIDER buying a government/union owned GM car. It is not a remote possibility. Our Founding Fathers warned us about the despots that are infiltrating our government. It is frightening to see the sheeple that agree and vote for these sub-Americans. We are just one generation away from losing the memory that America was once a free nation. | ||
| Court |
>>>>I'm with Court. I would not CONSIDER buying a government/union owned GM car. It is not a remote possibility. At the same time . . . as an innovative businessman . . . I can appreciate that what the feds (they just pumped $2,000,000,000 into the "Cash For Clunkers" an hour or so ago) are doing . . . kinda cool that they OWN the auto companies and are quickly becoming the largest consumer of the auto companies products. Fire fighting arsonists at the highest level. Meanwhile . . . on today's installment of "As Health Care Turns" . . . . I get a letter from my Congressman that is so loaded full of bullshit doublespeak he'd be tossed out of Freshman Composition. Chris Dodd (D-CT) who's going to be getting tossed anyway for taking a "V.I.P Mortgage" (the one available to congress but not you and I . . you know, cheap loans to members of Congress . . . yeah, the same Congress that regulates them) for his house has been found to have prostrate cancer. Interesting to listen to his tune on health care today . . . eager to see if he bolts for the UK or Canada. I'd like to hold one of those mandatory "Remaining Productive Years End of Life" consultations . . . . . . . Government as a "friend" . . what are these folks thinking? | ||
| P_squared |
. . what are these folks thinking? Dodd (65) is the son of former Democratic Sen. Thomas J. Dodd. He was elected to the U.S. House in 1974 (aged 30) and was re-elected in 1976 and 1978, and was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 1980. If he's not a "professional" politician, I don't know what is. As such, he's "thinking" exactly as a "professional" politician would think, "The Government knows best and is here to help." I hate "professional" politicians that have never had to WORK for a living. | ||
| Reindog |
Q: What does President Obama and his soon to be deported Kenyan aunt who lives in Boston have in common? A: They both live in public housing. | ||
| Reindog |
Gee, do ya think that Congress will get the same Socialized medicine program that the rest of the country will be oppressed with? Unless your Rep. or Sen. is overwhelmingly Conservative in their voting pattern, then toss the rascal out of office as soon as you can. The memory that America is a free country is one generation away from being lost. The meter is running, people. I recognize that these dire warnings have been raised in the past, but it is different this time. | ||
| Gregtonn |
The target of the CfC plan is 1 million vehicles. According to the plan CfC payments range from $3,500 to $4,500. For an average payment of $4,000. If you do the math that is minimum of 4 billion dollars plus administrative costs. Something else to think about; How will those million "clunkers" be disposed of and who will pay for it? There are plenty more questions but I'll stop there for now. G | ||
| Just_ziptab |
This video that Froggy posted is EXACTLY how the government health care plan is going to take care of YOU at the end of your useful life. Kinda sucks that I am paying for these cars by proxy thru taxes. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Holy crap! Theyve instituted their own patriot act! LOL! “This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the US Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personal, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
"wolverines" | ||
| Glitch |
How green it that!?!?!  | ||
| Deadduck |
good point Glitch. 1 million of those oughta do a number on the ozone. |
