| Author | Message | ||
     Pammy |
Swordsman, I won't take your post as disrespectful because you say it is not your intent, but the words you use seem to be exactly that. If you are asking if I am purchasing the "cheap ass resistors" or "bogus performance chips" and reselling them, the answer is no. I don't make these with my two little hands. I am testing and reselling for a tried and true product. ECM spy works great for some people. Not trying to replace it. Just trying to get something out there for someone who might want to just plug a unit in line with their O2 sensor and get back to riding. Nothing permanent is done to the motorcycle. No dyno is required. You don't have to have anyone hold your hand. No muss, no fuss. A ten year old should be able to install it. No need for a degree in electrical engineering. Look, I get 275. to 375. for dyno tuning. I am talking about selling a product for 80. or less that I have to puchase for somewhere close to that...What do you think my motive would be on bringing this product to light? This was made because I asked for it for the Buell community. That's all. Buells, unfortunately are a tiny part of the motorcycle community, so not a huge money maker, period. Sorry for the long rant, but I see from my side of the street why some of the mfgs don't help the Buell community and it makes me sad. Not that anyone should be blind to any shyster that comes along, but geez, let someone try something before the bashing begins. And Glitch, thanks again....I knew I liked you for some reason... | ||
| Turk |
Glitch - I never implied that they were in the snake oil business. I think what I said was that I had some suspicions that it may have an unintended effect but that I would wait to see what the testing had to say. Nothing more, nothing less. What I gathered from Pammy’s posts was that they still had testing that they want to do with it. I was not knocking Pammy in the slightest, just stating I’d be curious as to a certain aspect of the output of her testing. | ||
| Glitch |
Sorry bout that Turk. I did come off a bit strong I reckon. I do that sometimes... Sorry for the long rant... The Queen has spoken!  In all seriousness. I am talking about selling a product for 80. or less... Now that's good news! I'm looking forward to the release even more now! | ||
| Swordsman |
Sorry Pammy, guess it did sound a little worse than intended. I've just seen dozens and dozens of different "devices" on the Net that do the exact thing you're talking about, dyno charts included, but with a lot of extra hype and marked up quite literally 1000%. I guess perhaps if we had a little more info on how it worked we would be able to see how yours differed from the Ebay "performance chips". The Ebay ones are simple resistors that you wire inline from your O2 sensor to make the computer think conditions are leaner, so the computer adds fuel to compensate. Can you tell us anything? ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on July 20, 2009) | ||
| Jstfrfun |
I would love to give you my 99X1 to "lab-rat" as I have blued out my stainless with very little riding, here in Nevada the air cooled riding virtually stops in May,till October (112 today with cloud cover). Fattenig up by baby would be welcome, shipping anyone? | ||
| Pammy |
It does work that way,as does the Power Commander and many other devices. It does not change the laws of physics or any other equally challenging quantum science. You simply plug it into your bike(no wiring, splicing, soldering, dynoing) and drive on. I have not stated nor "hyped" anything that I don't think the ViED fully capable. Some folks have issues with detonation, pinging and surging in closed loop(I know I did). It is merely a fix for that. I am not sure where you may have gotten the idea that we are in the business of duping unsuspecting customers, but let me assure you that our reputation doesn't support that judgement. I have no knowledge of the "bogus" chips to which you refer. I can't comment on that, but I am assuming you have done your own research and found them lacking. Can I ask what changes, if any, the product made to your bike(good or bad)? Was it adjustable? How was the ease of installation and adjustment? Did you dyno your bike before and after? Do you have the charts for public viewing here? How easy was it to reverse your installation, if you removed the "bogus chip" from your bike? I am truly interested in your opinion of the product. (Message edited by pammy on July 20, 2009) | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
*****Watching this thread with great interest**** | ||
| Swordsman |
I have not stated nor "hyped" anything that I don't think the ViED fully capable. No, no, I didn't mean to say that you had. Sorry if it sounded that way. Everything I mention is in relation to the resistors found on Ebay. See below. I have no knowledge of the "bogus" chips to which you reference. I can't comment on that, but I am assuming you have done your own research and found them lacking. I only call them "bogus" because they are advertised as performance computer chips, when in fact they are nothing more than a resistor hidden in a plastic case. That, and I suspect that the dyno charts are forged, since many make claims of increasing power by up to 50 HP, which is absolute hogwash. Can I ask what changes, if any, the product made to your bike(good or bad)? Was it adjustable? How was the ease of installation and adjustment? Did you dyno your bike before and after? Do you have the charts for public viewing here? How easy was it to reverse your installation, if you removed the "bogus chip" from your bike? I have never installed a device like this on my motorcycle. I bought one for my car several years ago, but did more research before wiring it in, and decided to leave it off. The one I had was not adjustable, though I've seen one that had a toggle switch for alternate settings. It had to be hardwired in. My biggest gripe (after discovering the truth of what I had purchased) was the false advertisement and the ridiculous markup. The resistors being used cost pennies, and I've yet to see one of those things listed for less than $45 (though I admit, I haven't looked in several years). The resistors do what they do. If your sole purpose is to trick an O2 sensor (and not gain 50 HP in the process!), then I see no reason why they wouldn't work just fine. And it sounds like you're adding a plug-n-play feature, which would certainly be handy. Sounds like you're adding a small potentiometer as well, to make it tunable? That would be an interesting feature. I know one of the problems that I've seen others have with these resistors is Check Engine lights. I guess the car ECMs have something else going on that lets them know something's not right. I don't know if that would be a problem on the Buell. Here's a small sample of the Ebay products: http://motors.shop.ebay.com/__?_from=R40&_trksid=p3841.m39.l1313&_nkw=performance+chip&_sacat= ~SM (Message edited by Swordsman on July 20, 2009) | ||
| Rocketsprink |
when/if it becomes available and has proven to work, put me down for one. My 06 Uly could sure use it! | ||
| Boltrider |
Very curious on the dyno and air/fuel results! | ||
| Pammy |
I can't believe, I did this all by myself. Anyway, here's the picture.  | ||
| Panhead_dan |
I want one. Where do I send the check? No, I'm not anywhere near you so the dyno thing is out. I don't like dyno's anyway. Would you consider selling me one based on this? I am aware that it's experimental or not proven yet. I will be more than happy to report results to you if you want me to. Just tell me where to mail the check or maybe we could do Visa to speed things up. I want to try this out while it's still hot outside. Detonation is killing my pistons daily. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
P.S. I'm aware that I can retard timing to reduce pre-ignition. I would rather enrichen the fuel mixture. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
Pretty please? | ||
| Panhead_dan |
'06 XB12X with a slip on. It's a stock engine. | ||
| Spmullen |
I'm the guy that Pam had design the new Buell VIED. There may be people out there that copy my technology, but I hold the Patent on this technology (My lawyers will be contacting these people in the future). I do have quite a few satisfied Harley riders using this design. Our quality of design, how we build the product and how we support customers speaks for itself. We also do not make outlandish claims for improved power. The design and marketing approach we chose was aimed at improved rideability and rider comfort. We feel there are riders out there that do not want to reprogram their ECM or simply do not need to reprogram. But some riders would like to eliminate or reduce some of the issues associated with AFR associated with closed loop ECM operation. That is were the new product fall in. We are well aware of the issues of the AFV in the DDFI and that altering the closed loop AFR's can richen open loop fuel mixtures. There is a high probability that there will be improvements in power on bikes that have exhaust/air cleaner upgrades. We choose not to stess that in any advertising we do. It is not the focus of the product. We understand this technology better than most and how it impacts the ECM. It is not always as straight forward as you might think. If the Buell VIED is accepted by the rider community, I've got other technology variations sitting on my design board that can be adapted to the Buell's. But I will not go where I am not wanted. There is nothing simple or inexpensive about researching, designing, patenting and bringing a product to market. Adapting my existing design to a niche market like the Buell's is time consuming and expensive. Rider's that have dealt with me on the HD side of things know I do not over sell the capabilities of this design. Now the Buell riders will determine if an alternative tuning aid becomes available to all Buell riders. Just because it is not appropriate for your bike does not mean it is not good for Buell. So when you comment, think about all Buell's, not just your own situation or bike. | ||
| Pammy |
I will try to get it tested as quickly as possible. I am afraid that I can't skip that step, even though we have been using them on other bikes. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
please keep us updated as to it's availability. And thanks. | ||
| Panhead_dan |
OK. I understand. Can I have dibs on the first one when you decide it's ready? I will gladly pay in advance. | ||
| Court |
>>>>but I hold the Patent on this technology Interesting. What is the Patent number? | ||
| Panhead_dan |
uh oh | ||
| Sparky |
Link to Harley O2 Sensor Inline Enrichment device, "patent pending" and made by S & P Mullen Enterprises, Fla. Looks similar to Pammy's device but simpler. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I wasn't going to bring it up Court.  It does cost a bunch of money to develop one of these things, especially if the functionality and packaging is really well sorted. And it is rude to go off and copy it just to lowball the price... and anyone buying something made that way is probably getting something with other issues resulting from other short cuts, at least for a while. I doubt a device that takes a voltage transition as an input, uses a microcontroller (I'd use a PIC16F819) to massage the inputs, and puts out a simulated O2 signal as an output can be patented. The code can be copyrighted though, so you would have to build your own algorithim. At which point $70 will sound like a bargain, even before you price out getting connectors and fabricating circuit boards and sorting out the other packaging headaches. | ||
| Court |
I'm not bringing it up to be adversarial in the least I REALLY want to see the patent and, based on the "but I hold the Patent on this technology" statement I assumed there is a patent and all patents are public information. I have a greater interest in patents, patent law and seeing just what has been patented. I carefully studied the various websites for this product and saw no mention of patents of patent numbers (which folks usually post to protect their interests) so I simply asked. . . what's the patent number? It seemed like such a simple question. | ||
| Pammy |
Sparky, that is indeed the same folks. I have been selling the Harley unit for over a year now. I asked if one could be sorted for the Buells and now I have one. I don't know about the patents nor have I seen what is inside the unit. My concern is whether or not the piece works and how simply it might get that done. If it works, I will sell it, if not I won't. Blunt and to the point. I know I may sound weak and if you were living my life right now, you might as well. I withdraw my interest in this product on this site and will just work locally with the folks that want this here. I don't have the constitution right now to sort through the aggravation. Sorry to have bothered...really. Thanks for the interest. | ||
| Slipknot |
Pammy, is there a Daytona Twin Tec available for the Buell XB12X? | ||
| Court |
>>>I don't know about the patents I don't think there is any question about the patent. The fellow who holds the patent said the following:
All I asked is what the patent number was. I'm genuinely curious, having read LOTS of motorcycle product patents, to read it. Sorry. . . . I was just asking. | ||
| Pammy |
They make a product called the Twin Tuner. It isn't a simple plug and play by any means, but works fairly well. Won't make adjustments in closed loop. You would have to block off the O2 sensor. | ||
| Madduck |
Pammy, I would be interested in reducing the heat ouput of my 06 ULY. Be glad to buy one and report back on how it works. Paul You may have to autograph the package, mom doesn't believe I know the "Queen of the Universe" | ||
| Pammy |
I didn't ask him to comment on this site. When I was asked whether or not I was selling"bogus" crap like on e-bay. I called him to see if this unit was being sold on ebay and if he knew what the poster was talking about. He did not and was nearly as offended as I was, even though no offense was intended. Tangent aside...he doesn't monitor this site, he was doing me a favor with the product and I am sorry I brought it up. I can call him and inquire about the patent # but frankly, I don't really care about it. All I cared about is that it did the job for which it was intended. Period. Nobody but me has this part in hand and yet ...nevermind. I withdraw my interest in this project. Life is truly too short. Sorry for my dramatics... |
