| Author | Message | ||
     Psychobueller |
http://www.onewheeldrive.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=84&Itemid=88 | ||
| Buckinfubba |
well so its coming along ..thats cool but. if they can produce it in small numbers as they are saying. with ohlins forks on it and all the development time it took. and then sell it for $9995. and make enuff profit to continue well then great. But what I want to hear from the normal naysayers is......what for I could buy a good sv650 for $4 k out the door and save me 6k. but I do think its a interesting concept.... ofcourse I have a hard time calling a 77hp bike a superbike. but thats just me. | ||
| José_quiñones |
Finally, a choice! | ||
| Crusty |
A Korean copy of a SV650 for an engine, and it makes 77 H.P., and they're calling it a Superbike. An XB12 makes 92 H.P., but it's not a Superbike.Of course it will beat a Thunderfart, it has "potentially best-of-class handling". No prejudice in that write up. | ||
| Viros |
Fisher went to Hyosung for a motor??? probably since they make such awesome machines   you would think fisher would of learned after all the negative things said about the XB9's underpowered motor. 10K for an american bike that has stiff competition for thousands less? why does this sound familiar? | ||
| Fdl3 |
Initially, it strikes me as a good-looking bike. I wish them all the best. | ||
| Spiderman |
650 as a super bike LOL It is a sweet lookin ride but the proto type motor was a lot better. | ||
| Glitch |
The server seems to be down. Is that a pic of the bike? 10K for an american bike that has stiff competition for thousands less? why does this sound familiar? Probably has quirky handling as well, ya reckon? | ||
| Tripp |
looks like the offspring of a ktm rc8 and a yamaha r1! | ||
| Glitch |
we didn't go there  | ||
| Turnagain |
www.motobykz.co.uk/Fischer/Fischer.htm - 6k - Feb 17, 2004 "At last ,The Fischer MRX is launched!" don't know why, but a search shows the above link, also from Tuesday and says: "The V-twin uses the Rotax 998cc V-twin Aprilia engine.", with a designation of MR1000. | ||
| Glitch |
Hmmm...  | ||
| Blake |
It is certainly an eye-catching bike. If they had left in the "supercharged", it would have been a very interesting motorcycle. But a repackaged Korean 650 twin? I doubt very much that a 56.1 inch wheelbase with 24 degrees of rake and 4 inches of trail is going to yield anything close to "best of class handling". If the 77 HP holds true for the engine, the rear wheel will likely see mid-60's rwhp. But hey, it sure looks the part of a superbike repliracer, somewhere between a Ducati 749/999 and the new Yamaha R1. Is there anything new or unique about this $10K motorcycle? A Korean based SV650 knock-off with fancy plastic and a see-through fuel tank for $10K? Okay the see through tank is a neat idea. Good luck Mr. Fischer, you're going to need LOTS of it. So, what happened to the liter class superbike that was originally advertised? I pity the investors. | ||
| Bomber |
I certainly wish them luck, but their communication plans seems, er, iffy . . . . I trust they've learned form others that R&D in public (as in drafting paying customers to be beta testers) doesn't work so good anymore . . . . I'm pullin for em, as more domestic manufacturers can only improve the whole scene . . . . . they may be close . . . time will tell | ||
| Glitch |
Maybe they're gonna do what Buell did and release the bigger engined bike next. I hope they do well also, nothing like competition, for competitive folk. I think maybe the liter engine may have just been too expensive for them to offer the bike at low production numbers. More than likely (in my mind) it was a business decision rather than something else. It's gonna be interesting to see what the mags say after they do their ride tests. Is there gonna be some company for the stepchildren? | ||
| S320002 |
Based on the tank shape I predict one of the first available accessories will be a wearable carbon fiber groin shield. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
the pic not the color model looks like a 'zuki GS500 with a SV motor stuffed in it... | ||
| Djkaplan |
That bike is hideous. | ||
| José_quiñones |
Looks like they have updated that bike a bit:  Here's the engine:  Some info about Hyosung:
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| Xb9er |
It looks like an American copy of a Japanese bike. I guess only a test ride will tell the true story. | ||
| Darthane |
That chassis shape seems familiar...LOL | ||
| S320002 |
"Finally, a choice!" ??? JQ, Are you getting tired of your Japanese V Twin? Are you sure you want to switch to a Korean V Twin? | ||
| Thunderbolt |
just because the first limited edition run of bikes is going to have 77hp does not mean that's what the first production bike will have. my guess is that the first run of bikes @ $10k is aimed at collectors/rich enthusiasts who like to have 'one of each' of all the truly unique bikes (the ultimate example: Jay Leno). this bike, being a startup american company with a korean engine is certainly unique. i'm sure the limited run is just to raise some capital/get some revenue on paper to continue the development of the true superbike they want to bring to market. if they've been watching buell at all they know that they've got to come to market with a modern sportbike engine. they don't have the huge dealer network with guaranteed hords of foot traffic by their bikes like buell does. they can't afford to make the mistakes buell has made (and imho continues to make). i think hd has been a bitterseet partner for buell. on the one hand, they have infused money and the all important dealer network with untold thousands of shoppers looking at bikes they didn't go to the dealer to see, but on the other hand they've apparently handcuffed buell into using an antiquated engine design that has no business in an otherwise state of the art sportbike. as far as the fischer's styling, my .02 says that it's the best looking non-italian sport bike i've seen. i'm looking forward to what the production bike will have between its legs. i wouldn't go as far as blake does and pity the investors, but i do agree with indian and e-h flopping this seems like a risky business. i don't, however think they're going to need luck, i think they're going to need great engineering and a great outsourced engine. | ||
| Blake |
I don't see Mr. Leno being prone to buying a Korean based motorcycle. I don't see any prospective SV650 customers plopping down and extra $4K for fancy bodywork, a Korean engine, and an improved suspension. I predict... Failure. Of course, I could be wrong. Right JQ?  Now, if they were to supercharge it, that would be a whole other ball game. Looks to me like the pointy rear portion of the fuel tank would hit me right about in the solar plexus when tucked in. That can't be good. | ||
| Glitch |
I'm afraid you could be right Blake. | ||
| Rocketman |
antiquated engine design that has no business in an otherwise state of the art sportbike. From an S2 rider! Give that man a medal. Refreshing to see that not all American's are brain washed with their view of the XB's. I don't see Mr. Leno being prone to buying a Korean based motorcycle. You don't see Mr Leno fancying the good looks of the carbon-fibre bodywork? How about the top quality Ohlins suspension or the ability to fit Brembo radial brakes? You think that wouldn't impress him? Hyosung's claim of 77BHP at 9500RPM and 52ftlb at 7500RPM is more powerful than the SV650. If they supercharge it, which Fischer claim they are going to, 50% more power will give it 115BHP and 78ftlb. Fischer are developing their own supercharger too. This thing is gonna rip.To slate it because it's Korean is stupidly naive, something the British motorcycle industry were guilty of when the Japanese came to town. To create a stigma about what looks like been a fabulous motorcycle simply because it has a Korean built engine is probably to kill it before it even makes the showroom floor. At least the Korean's have the balls to put the camshafts in the right place. Rocket | ||
| Blake |
What's the HP spec claimed by Suzi for the SV? I'd not discount a Korean motorcycle purely for the fact that it is Korean. I discount an American motorcycle partially because it is bases upon a Korean model that is based upon a Japanese model. Fischer has sacrificed most of any "buy American" allure by using a Korean engine. So therefor it will be competing, in my opinion, on a level field with the SV650, the Duc 800SS, the Buell XB9R, and even the Duc 749. When it comes to value for the dollar, I have a hard time seeing the Fischer competing successfully against ANY of those machines. | ||
| Blake |
BTW Rocket, How long do you reckon the folks at Fischer using an existing engine design have been working to get this bike to market, and how much capital do you suppose they have invested/borrowed to do so? | ||
| Rocketman |
You should embrace it because it competes with non of those bikes you mention when it comes to sales or cost. Fischer aren't talking mass production - that's what gives it its "buy American" allure - that and its bold design - what you're paying for - hand crafted exclusivity. Rocket | ||
| Blake |
What makes you think the Fischer won't be a mass produced bike? I'm pretty sure that is the intent. Hand crafted exclusivity with a Korean SV650 knock-off for an engine? Neither do I suspect that the Fischer will be "hand crafted" certainly not in the same vein as the early Buells. |
