| Author | Message | ||
     Ft_bstrd |
Nothing better than seeing your favorite racer get caught up in the first turn scramble and knocked out of the race before the first lap is completed. Yep, that's the best part. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I'm not really very interested anymore either for one primary reason: The good riders are not all in the same series, so both races are kind of goofy. We need one premier class with all of the best riders on the same track, or the whole thing is a bit meaningless. I saw the Daytona race, and it was very clear that Eslick was staying in the lead pack with power. Mid corner speed be damned, the 600's were driving out of the turns harder, with less power. Anyone who seriously watches racing in the US knows that high corner speed is not always the hot ticket. Many of our best riders back it in, square it off, and drive it out fast. Maximum corner speed is very important for 125 and 250 two strokes and 800cc GP bikes (unfortunatly) Now it may have been different the second weekend, I did not catch the races on my DVR. I hope that Eslick was the superior rider. I'll be sure to get the next race recorded, because if you guys are right, and Eslick is clearly the best rider, I'll be damn stoked for Buell. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Ft_bstrd, You are correct, it is the best part, like when Bubba hit the deck in Daytona, ripped his helmet visor off, initially grabbed the wrong bike, then got to his, then got it started and THEN showed why that he is a special talent, dead last out of the gate, near a lap down, and rode like a man possessed to a 7th place finish passing through the field like lightening bolt, I was riveted to the action, it was one of the best performances I have ever seen. The man was electric, did he win? No, but did he show what racing is all about, hell yes. I was stoked for Chad Reed to get his third Daytona victory, but Bubba Stewart showed how to ride a bike like a maniac. It is the best part of racing, NOT knowing who is gonna make through that corner, seeing guys hit that mark literally a hairs breadth away from each other, pinned on the throttle. What about Nitro Nori in Losail? Started 8th, made the first corner in 4th, and won the race, I supposed you didn't like the Le Mans starts the GP used to have either, run across the track, start your bike and then run like hell either...but that is the purest form of racing...go to a Hare Scramble and watch it, ask any racer if they don't love that moment of hitting the throttle as hard as possible going for that first corner...most (if not all) will say that is the best part of the race aside from the victory wheelie..... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yep, I loved not knowing. I loved not knowing the pods were going to come off Eslick's bike. I loved watching his pit crew run around like monkies humping footballs trying to duct tape it back on. I loved having the whole rest of the race become irrelevant to me as to the outcome because the best hope for a win for Buell was basically out and then DQ'd. I loved that sick feeling. I'm sure the racer's like it, but as a SPECTATOR I like to actually see the racers race. I missed getting to see the race that WOULD have happened. I guess it comes down to whether you go to a hockey game for the hockey or the fights. | ||
| Jstfrfun |
Hockey is soccer or basketball without the fights, ask any Redwings fan or Blackhawks, or ANY real hockey fan, you're gonna get the answer. It's watching for the cheap shots the sneaky stick whacks and of course the free-for-all. Otherwise turn on the Mexican TV and watch "futbol". | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
In the end, though, there is no score earned for the quality of the fight. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Ft_bstrd, Well then I would say you are not a fan of racing motorcycles, you just want to see a Buell in it or you are not interested, that is fine, but for me, the fastest men(or women like Mrs. Paris) on the fastest bikes, balls deep on the throttle is the stuff...and if you want spec racing to find out who is the better rider on equal equipment, the BMW Boxer Cup was extremely good for that, or maybe for you the Buell Cup where all they race is Buell's then you will stay interested and you know your favorite bike will win....when Eslicks Pods came off and he got to the pits I was cheering, hoping they could fix them quick and he could come back on the track and make it up, lots of racing still to do at that point, but that didn't happen, without struggle and failure there would be no advances to anything, they learned many things that day that will serve them well in the future, so that race is lost, the war is not over, it is a long season....but to just say the race was irrelevant because YOUR guy was out, maybe you weren't that interested anyway...just a thought...by that same logic, I don't think this series is the fastest or the best that could be produced, that is why I lost interest in it, and to be quite honest my extreme dislike of DMG did not help the matter, but as YOU wrote earlier, one fan is irrelevant because there are 10 to replace me...I just didn't see them at fontana...maybe by Barber or Laguna those 10 will show up....keep your fingers crossed....of course you would have to PM me and tell me they showed up as I will be watching the best of the best with WSBK and MotoGP...but that's right that racing wouldn't interest you because no Buell's yet...again keep those fingers crossed.... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I never said I wanted spec racing. I'd like just the opposite. I like the mix of different engine configurations. What's odd is that I can't cheer for Buell, but it's ok for Suzuki fans to cheer for Suzukis and Yamaha fans to cheer for Yamahas. The people wanting spec racing are those questioning whether Buell should be allowed. I was NOT interested in the series without Buell being in it. That's the point. If you are pissed and choose not to watch, fine. I'd bet, though, that there are at least ten more watchers HERE on BW to replace your lack of viewership. I want to see the bikes run and the riders ride. You want to see the wreck. That's fine. To each his own. I was gravely disappointed in that it didn't appear that the other Buells were doing much. If you aren't in the top 5, you don't get much coverage. Higbee didn't pull into the top 5 at Daytona until the end. Unfortunately for me, as a Buell fan, there aren't many racers to get excited about because there aren't many bikes racing. There is very little difference between cheering for Eslick and cheering for Buell. If Eslick were riding a Suzuki, and Buell weren't in the race, I wouldn't be watching at all. Without Buell, this series would STILL be in the dark with NO fans and WOULD be a spec racing series. This is, unfortunately, what the average Big Four fan wants. | ||
| Brumbear |
Hey bottom line They made the rules Buell is doing what they are allowed to do I gotta agree with FB hear and say why is it ok for the ZX6 crewto route for them and we can't route for our brand. | ||
| Spatten1 |
You won't find too many people rooting for Honda or Suzuki. Serious race fans generally route for riders. Routing for a brand is not nearly as common. I've never heard anyone say that they quit rooting for Rossi after switching to Yamaha or Hayden because he is going to Ducati. To most racers and fans the race bikes are tools to serve a purpose. They are not generally viewed with identity or emotional attachment. I think Ducati fans root for their riders, but not so much with the big four. Riders switch brands all the time, and fans follow the riders. Road race fans are also very opinionated regarding whether the machine or the rider is winning. This is not new with Buell. Do a search and you will find ten years of griping about Mladin winning due to the best bike. You will also see a number of current articles speculating about the 2009 results vs. the new rules in Superbike designed to put the bikes on more even footing. Plenty of arguments early this season regarding whether it's Mladin or Suzuki, most of which ended last week. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Tell that to the spec sheet bench racer GSXR owner. Race on Sunday, sell on Monday. | ||
| Brumbear |
true but we buellers are a special lot | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
true but we buellers are a special lot But we ain't the ones bitchin' that the spec sheets don't line up. | ||
| Brumbear |
I was referring to spatten1 not your post I service the forklift at the local kawasaki dealer and they all know I ride a buell they were laughing when the cowling came off at the daytona race well they were getting 10 kinds of upset when I was rubbing it in today everytime they would say something I would laugh and dis them the mechanic said that bike should be a liter bike I says SO NOW YOU THINK WE ARE WORTHY OF A LITER BIKE thanks butmunch but I think we will just kick the sixxers ass for the rest of the season its downhill from here the one kid got so mad I thought he was gonna get cheeky when He was stammering I started sniffing the air and saying what do I smell smells like chinese food in here I must admit I had a ball. The only thing I can surely say is they all were ANTI BUELL not pro suzuki or yamaha some pro kawi guys though sorta like the yankee thing some folks love to hate | ||
| Rpm4x4 |
I just thought Id mention that the ricer owners I hang with think its cool as hell that the Buell is doing well. BTW The Fontana race was the first race all of us have actually watched beginning to end. | ||
| Boltrider |
LOL...for a second I thought this was turning into the "Boring GP" thread. I think folks that have brand loyalty want to see their make do well, no matter if it's 2-wheel or 4-wheel racing. I know I do. Also look at how Buell finally has something that can win every week, coupled with the fact that many here on Badweb have some brand loyalty, and in return you get 2 big reasons for Badwebbers to tune in who might otherwise not have. I'm sure some of the Harley crowd is watching too, the same crowd who wouldn't give a crap if Buell weren't in it. (Message edited by boltrider on March 31, 2009) | ||
| Doz |
My take, this just ruins everything. It's been a whole lotta fun outperforming "popular" bikes with what everyone else considers a substandard bike. | ||
| Brumbear |
you could always go hyosung on us Drew  | ||
| Greenlantern |
The only thing I can surely say is they all were ANTI BUELL not pro suzuki or yamaha some pro kawi guys though sorta like the yankee thing some folks love to hate Hey Dave, too bad you didn't have some of these to hand out during your visit...   | ||
| Liquorwhere |
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/editorials/2009/ 03/26/editorial-chicanery A good read..... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
More bitching. Boo hoo. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Ft_bstrd, Don't you find it a bit odd that almost every pundit, many riders, almost every magazine or reporter that covers motorcycle roadracing seems to think this series is turning into a joke? that DMG has done a poor job and most think it will get worse, you just chalk it up to griping? I don't think so, many of these people have a lifetime of experience in the field and know quite a bit more that you and I, yet again you just chalk it up to some perceived jealously and not common sense?? Rose colored glasses sir, that is what you have on.....but whatever, to argue to the point to you with any meaningful discussion or point to be made is futile as you have a one way view of looking at it, you weren't an enthusiast before, you obviously don't understand much about the sport and really don't have any point to make in return...so good luck to you. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I find the bitching tiring. Once the Regulatory and Ownership change announcement came down, the pundits, riders, and magazines started bitching. Much of what is written comes from a "see I told you so" point of view. The author made the point that NOT racing in the rain was a good thing and then bitched about the reason why the call was made. What does it matter why AMA changed the dates? It was the right call. The organizers could have said "I have shit to do" and moved it. Hacking's behavior was inexcusable regardless of who is running Sportbike. He should man up, pay the fine, apologize and get back to racing. If he doesn't, it's his choice. DMG didn't force him to sling F-bombs and act like an ass in the interview. The lights were screwed up at Daytona. DMG didn't make the call. A corner worker did. Jump THEIR shit not DMG. It's like having a bad field call from a ref at a football game. You don't throw out the entire league officiation because of a bad ref call. Besides, I thought that was "racing". The unexpected. The raw. The unknown. Bitching about the trophies? C'mon. Grow up. You're going to throw them in a box in the attic anyway. DMG may completely destroy an underwatched, low visibility series. Or they may not. The problem I have is that we are THREE races into the series. The "pundits" are over a year into the bitch cycle. The fix was in alright. DMG wasn't going to be given a chance. It was deemed a failure before the first flag dropped. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
As far as Hacking is concerned, I will defer to you "Now a race series with lots of controversy that includes a mix of great bikes and riders getting pissy and getting fined and suspended. That sounds like racing. " Although I think that sort of thing is very WWE/NASCAR or Monster Truck stuff at least I think his angst is genuine, but not completely sure and he did pay the fine...a couple days ago. Mat Mladin sparked the racing in the rain debate comparing AMA/DMG Racing to NASCAR and asked if his life was worth less than Jeff Gordon's life as NASCAR apparently doesn't race in the rain....I think it is the courses in the States that are not as safe as in the rain, as everywhere else races in the rain, including Formula One and WSBK and MotoGP, that must be a NASCAR thing too, I really don't know about that one as I don't follow that sport(NASCAR). The Corner worker "call" to red flag the race seems utter NASCAR just like the "phantom" yellow that stopped Josh Hayes from pulling a few more seconds on the field and eventually cooling his tires enough to help him highside....ruins the experience in lieu of some attempt to control the outcome DURING the race using the caution flags, that is not unexpected that is flat out manipulation to keep a racer that is clearly laying a ass whooping on the field from running away, DMG speak for "tight racing"..whatever.... The Trophies are I think, because I don't know, are possibly a status symbol of a professional series as opposed to a "club racing" medal, I don't really care too much about that but I do see the image problem associated..... Three races into what has been a year of running off top talent, manufacturer support, restructuring classes that make no sense in particular Daytona Sportbike class, especially when you have a Supersport class that is designed for spec racing, that Daytona Sportbike Series should be 750cc twins and 600 IL4's on the edge of technology to help test and engineer innovation for parts that can be later incorporated into the big bore machines at lower cost of riders and equipment, not a spec big bore against somewhat modified IL4 600's, it is a joke. The formula extreme 600's homologation schedule bikes would smoke these Daytona Sportbike's easily, the technology was more advanced by far, most see this as a neutered series, especially in terms of the rest of the world or other national series. DMG will not be given a chance because they came in made enemies instead of partnerships that COULD have helped the series, they have the money and marketing know how to effect a positive change, unfortunately they also have Roger Edmundson. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
DMG gives in...... Wednesday, April 1, 2009 Daytona, Florida: Daytona Motorsports Group representative Roger Edmonson, current president of the fledgling AMA Pro Racing subsidiary issued a press release today admitting failure and promising to return to a more successful racing model that more closely mimics motorcycle road racing around the world. "We were under a lot of pressure from people with vast influence in the industry to create a series that promoted American made motorcycles. It's obvious now that we overdid it." AMA professional racers have mixed reactions to this news. Extremely vocal opponent of DMG's efforts Mat Mladin simply said, "It's about time." Other riders, notably Danny Eslick, whos Buell XR1125s was clearly a favorite throughout the rest of the series expressed dismay at the early withdrawal of the new class structure. "We've already had two races. Now we're going to change the entire class structure so my bike no longer qualifies for the series? That doesn't make sense." DMG is expected to release an entire new set of class specifications by the end of the day. | ||
| Hexangler |
Wow. (D'oh! got me too.)  (Message edited by hexangler on April 01, 2009) | ||
| Ceejay |
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| Danny_h__jesternut |
Apples vs Oranges? I like both, both are good for you. Both are nice and jucy. Oranges have vitamin c, helps fight colds an bad bugs so they say. An apple a day keeps the doctor away, I don't know whats in them, but I hear they are good for you too. Oranges seem more round to me, apples are some what round too, jest not as round as an orange. I bet if I rolled them down an incline the orange would roll better than the apple, the apple would roll down alright jest not as good as the orange. Should I doctor up the orange to handy-cap it or add some thing to the apple to inhance its proformance? Is that realy fair compition for either the apple or the orange. I think its artifical paraity, its an illusion of equality jest an ilussion not real. After all there is an apple and an orange they are not the same. When I go to the store to buy apples only to find someone hid some oranges in my bag of apples I'd be unhappy. When I'm at the store an I find apples an oranges in seprate bags I am happy. Each to his own. How would you like me to spike you morning OJ with apple juce, bet you would not like it! Apples and Oranges don't mix. End of story. What was AMA/DMG thinking? Oh it was so priveters could race against factory works bikes? Apples/Oranges, hollow/empty for the fans&competors? The great illusion of equality/parity. The saddest part in all of our great national searies is the lack of fan support, the empty seats. Whos to blame, when did it die/how did it die, I don't know! It was dead long before DMG. Can it be fixed? They lost me long ago. | ||
| 46champ |
For all you people who want some high tech on the edge of technology series. GUESS WHAT it is the 1930's again Class A racing is dead again NO one can afford a high tech racing series including the Japanese factories. If it had been left alone it would be the same bikes from the same teams winning the same races, and technology would be stagnating. This will be Matt Maladin's last year racing in the United States. Anyone with a brain can see he is racing for one reason to prove that he was the superior rider and not the superior bike. Given 2 more years he would be behind the Buells in SUPERBIKE like everyone else and it will be glorious. He will not do that no one likes being part of the rear guard. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
 Fantastic that DMG has recognized the failure, now let's see what they do about it. |
