| Author | Message | ||
     Indybuell |
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/1/94/2/Motorcycle-Bl og-Post/Hollow-SportBike-Wins-for-Buell-.aspx | ||
| F_skinner |
I read through this and the post. There is a lot of emotion in those post and not many facts. In my opinion, I am on a couple of Sportbike sites, these people tie their pride in ownership to race wins. It is something to brag about when not riding. I have little in common with these people but it is a different perspective. If I am not mistaken the 1125R was not built to go racing. If Buell ever built another pure race bike imagine how much they will be crying. I must admit that I have not been this excited about racing since the VR 1000 days. Lynn and I watched the race on Saturday and I cannot describe the feeling of seeing a Buell win the race. I does not make me want to buy a 1125R (maybe a Sport Touring model hint hint) but it is good to see Factory Race Teams get spanked. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I can't wait for the 1199RR in full race prep with traction control. What is missing from the debate is what it takes for a company to compete in the Superbike range. How long have the Big Four been competing in that class? Ducati? Aprilia? They WILL compete in this arena as well, but they should have at least a year or two to get the bike developed. Kinda sad to see all this whining over a company that has fewer total bikes produced than Honda sells in a year. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Comment submitted and wonder twin powers activated! | ||
| Greenlantern |
Know what? Think it's time for A good ol' Pittsburgh Pile on! Jump on, the bodies are warm and stupid!  | ||
| Buellerandy |
Just poured some fuel on the fire  | ||
| Court |
>>>Kinda sad to see all this whining over a company that has fewer total bikes produced than Honda sells in a year. Honda produces an average of 38,462 motorcycles PER DAY (stats from 2007, it's down a tad for 2008). At that rate it takes them 8.06 DAYS to equal Buell AND Harley-Davidson annual production. You can do the math. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yeah, but we can just bribe the AMA folks and they will give us whatever we want. We're Harley Davidson! | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Ya know, I really enjoy my Buell. God willing I will own and enjoy several more thru the years. I don't get these guys. Do they derive all their self worth from the fact that their motorcycle of choice happens to win some races. Wow, thats sad. Ya'll do me a favor please. The day I start deciding what to ride based on a spec sheet or a race finish - somebody whack me on the head with a fkin brick. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Oh, re-reading that seems like I'm directing it at ya'll. I'm just commenting on the amount of whining from the IL4 crowd. | ||
| Swordsman |
Heh, yeah, I didn't even know there WAS a race until I hit BadWeb! Shows you how important it is to me!  I DO hate to see Buell getting MORE bad press though. ~SM | ||
| Danger_dave |
Last years NZ top 5 >750cc bike sales by Brand: Suzuki Harley Triumph Honda Yamaha Buell was top 10 also. (From memory - can't find the pdf) (Message edited by danger_dave on March 30, 2009) | ||
| Liquorwhere |
I have seen many a page from that one to Superbike planet beating this drum...and while I am happy someone is racing a Buell, I really think that bike should be in the Superbike category. Pile on me if you wish, but I think that the Rotax engine can be made to compete with a good rider, and that is the key to everything anyway, the rider, with the big boys. Shawn Higbee did race it an 1125CR as reported on Superbike planet here is the link http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090322b .htm in the Superbike category and finished 15, in the points, I am just as proud of that accomplishment as I am the win by Eslick, a guy by the way that can clearly handle that bike well. I am not hating on the victory, I just think it should run with the big boys is all....by the way check the Higbee-racing.com thingy, no real support for his effort in Superbike, Factory or otherwise.... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
This bike WILL be in the Superbike category. Eventually. What is to be gained, though, by placing a bike with limited tune in with the highly tuned multi-decade race efforts already there simply to get their heads beat in and have NO race budget to spend to make developments? Would seem to me that given the AMA rules that competing in a low budget, limited tune series would be a better way to get marketing exposure and build factory race budgets to compete in the big race. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Harley will not open up the purse for such foolishness. There will never be a race buget. Only contingency $$$. LOL  | ||
| Froggy |
There will never be a water cooled Harley ever either. | ||
| Rockstarblast1 |
There will never be a water cooled Harley ever either. not counting the v-rod lol | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
This bike WILL be in the Superbike category. Eventually. According to the AMA web site, Steve Crevier will be racing the 1125R, in Superbike, on selected dates. | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
I watched that race. And while I know very little about racing nor have I been riding very long, Danny Eslick looked like a better rider. Tight, calculated, and on a mission. And the only reason they are bitching is 'cuz we won. Why aren't they complaining about the Ducati, or Aprillia and just bashing on the Buell? And BTW he didn't look any faster in the straights, but he F-ed those curves up! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Steve Crevier will be racing the 1125R There's a difference between "racing" and "competing". I could "race", but I wouldn't rank better than dead last. | ||
| Dragonslayer |
I can't wait to hear all the excuses from the ricers when Buell wins a race in Superbike. | ||
| Americanmadexb |
Nothing new. Suzuki has been bitching about Buells in NHRA ever since they started whipping there ass 3-4 yrs ago. This is just one article i found from 2006 Monday, 04 September 2006 SUNDAY NOTEBOOK - Parity Now! - One person who got all juiced up over Matt Smith’s 6.99 second qualifying pass was Steve Johnson. Johnson, reigning Indy champ (he asked me to say that) is not only a racer but the president of PRO2, the professional riders’ organization for the Pro Stock Motorcycles. Steve’s role is to give the motorcycle contingent a single voice so they can be effectively represented to NHRA management. But Steve is also a Suzuki racer, and nothing is more on the minds of Suzuki riders is parity (or in their view, lack of parity) between the Suzukis and V-Twins. Matt Smith’s 6.99 recorded on a Buell when the next quickest bike is a Suzuki and 5 hundredths behind, revitalizes the discussion once again. “When is it going to be that we [Suzukis] are the ones in front and they [V-Twins] are catching up?” he asks. Steve’s contention is that the V-Twins as a whole have been garnering the lion share of performance awards including number one qualifying, Mickey Thompson Six Second Club and Full Throttle Crew Chief awards. “In the current configurations, Suzukis are not given the same chance of getting those awards,” said Johnson. No one in the class has better contact with NHRA officials then Johnson. And he has been told that at this point no changes are forthcoming. “They have stated that they have carefully reviewed the situation and come to the conclusion that there is parity,” he said. “They still hold the contention that the Suzukis are winning races.” “I understand that they don’t have knee-jerk reactions to situations like this and I also understand that they have an incredibly difficult job,” continued Johnson. “I just want it to be also known that I still think that the best thing for Pro Stock Motorcycle is for the V-twins to be in this class. I just feel that changes are needed before things get out of hand. We want there to be real parity.” Whether that remains possible is yet to be seen. Speaking of Parity - The NHRA recently had a meeting with leading members of the Pro Stock Motorcycle community to review the class structure and rules. A representative cross-section of players were invited including sponsors, engine builder and riders, from the well-funded to the true independents. On the agenda were items like EFI, brakes, front tire width and even leathers. Nothing was decided at the meeting, race officials just wanted to open the conversation on open issues. One point of interest was the possibility of allowing in-line four cylinder bikes 4-valve cylinder heads. These have been allowed in the past but the displacements were so limited that no team ran them. The discussion went from the displacement that should be allowed now that the inline fours have been given bigger engines starting this year. The Suzuki racers have long contented that they would need aftermarket cases due to availability of current circa 1986 cases, the strength of those cases and the need to run plain bearing cranks (current engines run roller-bearing cranks where the connecting rods are permanently mounted in the multiple-part, pressed-together cranks. The NHRA is open to, and some say currently exploring, the possibility of allowing a billet, purpose built, inline four cylinder four-valve. Knowledgeable sources say that they factories (Suzuki, Kawasaki, et al) would not themselves build the engines but hire a company to build them (like Harley-Davidson contracting Vance & Hines to build the current V-Rod Pro Stock motor). The $64 question is what parameters would be allowed to make it worthwhile to fund such an endeavor but not so much that it would dominate the class. The same sources say that such and engine program would take 12 months before an engine hit the track. Crybaby Angelle Sampay was one who litrally cryed about the Buells.... so what she do last year.... if ya cant beat um, join um  | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
there's a buell in that????? | ||
| Americanmadexb |
yup, cant you tell by the....um, headlights!! lol  \ | ||
| Dragonslayer |
"Buell cheated!! They're not supposed to win."  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If there are different configurations of engine design, there will always be claims that the race is unfair. If the engine configurations are all the same, the team with the most money wins (and conversely those without the funds of the big teams complain that it isn't fair). I seem to remember the Jordan Team being shut out of the top end development goodies. Was that "fair"? | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Let me see........ how many years did the piece of crap Harley XR-750(neart my favorite dream bike) clean everybody's clock in flat track? Don't like it, build you own flat tracker to be better. Don't like the Buell winning road races? Build your own V-twin that is better. If a petty motorcycle company like Buell can do it...............so can the big boys!!!!! | ||
| Endoman33 |
higbee is runing in superbike and daytona sportbike think he finished 18th at fontana in one of the superbike races | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Wanna know the bike they built for racing... it was supposed to be the lil 450 cc Dirt bike.... And the AMA killed it. You can thank them for their efforts. I know they are getting all my hate mail. I doubt they read it, but I know I am sending it. | ||
| Blake |
Bench/stat racing means nothing. DMG formed the class and the rules to make for even racing. If it turns out otherwise, they'll ajust accordingly. All the pathetic whining by the 600cc Japan Inc. fans is embarassing. Bone stock mechanical 1125 Buell is beating the worked over Japan Inc Factory bikes, not in top speed, but through the infield. That's not from power advantage. It's handling. Freddie Spencer even commented on this in the 1st round at Fontana. There was Hacking getting bucked and sliding through the turn, then there was Eslick motoring like a walk in park nearly dragging the big Buell's nacelles on the tarmac. If not for Hacking letting himself get all tangled with his other 600cc competition, Danny (Slick) Eslick and the big Buell would not likely have been so fortunate to pull such a gap. Second race was close. So far the series looks to be well-matched, uless of course you've swallowed, gulped and swallowed again the shot of propaganda being spurt from Japan Inc, that all that matters is displacement. Well, the IL4 600's have twice as as many cylinders, twice as many valves, and 50% more rev limit due to their ridiculoulsy oversquare racing engine design. Buell runs a streetbike that actually offers usable power from 3K rpm up peaking at just over 10K rpm. Real world riding and you can put together the same bike as Slick's with a new 1125R and a few parts from Buell racing, all for a whopping $17K. How much do you imagine Mr. Hacking's factory ZX6R is worth? Go Slick! Go Buell! Blake Buell M2 & XB12X www.BadWeatherBikers.com |
