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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Am I the only one that noticed the muffler placement??
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Chadr81
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Finally... someone else is getting part of the big picture. I'm guessing we're going to start seeing more and more of this.
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd ride that
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New12r
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It looks just like and R6.
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

As far a styling, they are trying to get a younger group, it should look like the other hot bikes. They have enough grey beards and advrider guys already, they are looking to attract up the other 95% of motorcycle buyers, whom seem to like the R6 quite a bit.
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New12r
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep, you are right, fraternal twins for sure. The face is almost identical.
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

IIRC, the test bikes wore R6 bodywork to throw off the spy photographers. Gives you an idea how compact it is, too...
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Since the 80's BMW has continually made big intros for "sportbikes" that were 100lbs too heavy, 5 inches too long, or just underpowered.

This is the first time they seem really serious, and gave up all the "special" beemer gadgets that work for touring but not sport/race.

I don't think they will half-ass it this time.
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03worc9r
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do I even ask what that bmw costs??
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think it will be high, but less than the KTM, which they must be very proud of in Austria.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow a totally new Japanese bike!

From Germany. : |



On the upside, they are pricing it to compete directly with the Big Four.
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

With German labor, they are as likely to make money competing head-go-head with Japan as Harley would be doing it here.

By that logic, they should give a 5k rebate on their entire GS linup, quadruple sales, and still make money. Now they will actually have to retool every couple of years to compete, which will be higher costs than BMW has ever dealt with in the past.

I know that is probably their intention, but I just don't understand how it will be possible.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BMW will have the bike built in China and Korea. It will not be made in Germany.

They will have it priced at about $10,995 and will make money.
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wish they would make the GS line in China and Korea so I could buy one.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It'd still be ugly. It's almost as ugly as the Stelvio.

Gack.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wow a totally new Japanese bike!

From Germany. : |



On the upside, they are pricing it to compete directly with the Big Four.
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 07:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm disappointed myself. After years of introducing new technology to the street, for their first SERIOUS race bike they go out and build...

...a GSXR1000...
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Spatten1
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm disappointed myself. After years of introducing new technology to the street, for their first SERIOUS race bike they go out and build...

...a GSXR1000...


Problem is, none of their new technology will keep up with a GSXR1000 and its "old tech".

You can bet they tried to use BMW tech for the superbike effort, and it didn't work. It's a big deal for BMW to lose face a bit by copying what works, Japanese sportbikes. I'm sure they did their best to avoid this.

I guess they could have copied Ducati instead.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's still has a can on the right side...
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4cammer
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That new BMW is one ugly bike. The lines do not flow or even catch the eye.

Maybe Chris Bangle went to the bike division?
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but blame Dave Robb. I can't say I've liked many of his designs since he took over over a decade ago. The K1200LT is one of the few exceptions.
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Boliver
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do not really like it but hey BMW finally made a bike that doesn't make me want to vomit when I look at it.It does look very common to a lot of the other bikes on the road though.I give it two thumbs sideways leaning toward the ground.
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Bbbob
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looking at the BMW dealer marketing pieces, the tone for this bike is they are building it to win and win NOW, hence the race proven tech. Plus it keeps the price down. BMW wants to keep the price in line with the competition. I think we'll see the BMW "tech" slowing find it's way on to this bike over time.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One of the headlights should be a different shape from the other. Otherwise, it isn't a BMW.
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Spatten1
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think we'll see the BMW "tech" slowing find it's way on to this bike over time.

I don't think it will for one reason: It has to win races.
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Redbuelljunkie
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just like the abominations that BMW has been pushing on car buyers in the last few years, this "thing" is following the trend of butt-ugliness. I had so much hope based upon the good looks of the race version, but that's all gone now. Ever since moving the design center to California, BMW has completely lost their way... remember when you could recognize any BMW product from a distance in about 1/2 second? At least the Italians still have an eye for beauty.
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Arcticktm
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't know where the sport bike is being assembled, but the new 800 motor is already assembled by Kymco in Taiwan.

If you are going to go bargain-Asia, Kymco is probably one of the best choices, though.
They were originally started up through Honda.
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Swampy
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Front end looks heavy on the ground.
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Bbbob
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually the 800 motors are BMW designed & built by Rotax, the single cylinder 450 & 650 motors are BMW designed & built by Kymco.
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